Trying to pan individual MIDI notes

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Re:Trying to pan individual MIDI notes 2012/08/04 02:53:29 (permalink)
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There's probably a way to do this with the event filter, or interpolate with the cc10.
I forget if Pan is even an option. Anyway, the event filter is pretty powerful for that kind of mundane stuff usually.
And, probably use the event list and not the PV.
I'm going to assume that your part is quantized 100%. This would make isolating the notes you are working on a lot easier for data a entry. 
 
Won't work the same way as controlling with a Modulator unless you can access ONLY the oscillator panning thru automation or MIDI control. I have clearly illustrated how easily it can be done using any synth with a good Modulation matrix (see post #30).
 
And no, pan is not an option for individual MIDI notes in the event list unless a synth has a specific RPN or NRPN that can Pan ONLY the oscillator (there may be synths with an architecture that allows controlling pan somewhere else in the signal path but if you Pan the output or anywhere after the signal goes stereo then note tails and effects will ALSO be panned). Attempting to do so with envelopes or CC's would be a much more time-consuming and unneccesary method compared to what I have suggested unless a specific situation requires a different approach.
 
Using multiple instances of a synth is possible but is WAY harder and more time consuming to program and unless you insert literally dozens of instances you do not have the ability to use the entire stereo field as easily as in one single instance of Rapture (or other synths) using the modulation matrix in the manner that has been explained.
 
Suggesting how to isolate the notes is of little use if you can't suggest a method for panning them...
 
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Re:Trying to pan individual MIDI notes 2012/08/04 03:19:27 (permalink)
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I've just had a go of this, because I was sure there was a simple way of implementing panning per note in Sonar, simply, as has been mentioned here, by sending a CC10 message prior to the note being sent.

It didn't seem to work like I expected. And then I remembered that when I used to do this kind of thing, I was driving my JP8000 and Nova, well before the days that I caught on to soft synths. That definitely used to work a treat for panning individual notes, without effecting the tails. Perhaps I should keep hold of my hard synths...
 
It depends on the softsynth. If CC10 can be set to Pan the oscillator section at note-on then yes, it will work. Most softsynths are going to Pan the stereo output with a CC10 command and that is the problem here. Same with envelopes. Not saying it "can't" be done but it would depend on the synth and what automation it allows. Again this can be a non-issue in a synth with a good modulation matrix.

I also had a pay with a panning envelope, just to see... and yeah, it pans the whole track, including the tails... but you knew that already lol.
I think the way I would do this now would be to create as many instances I needed to create my stereo panning effect. 

When I get time, I might also try some of the methods explained above. And I should check whether or not Absynth caters for panning... perhaps with one, or all three of its LFOs.
 
I detailed a pretty easy example in post #30.  While Absynth will likely do panning of osc quite easily this will not help those such as the OP who don't own it (the OP specified stock synths that came with Sonar although they likely would not be adverse to a freeware synth).


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