Windows 8 really is quite outstanding for Sonar

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Re:Windows 8 really is quite outstanding for Sonar 2012/08/29 11:53:25 (permalink)
>> I actually prefer the tiles to having a bunch of clutter on my desktop.

That's funny.

The METRO screen provides NO use of sub-menus as does the old start menu. Hence no good way to control "CLUTTER." Show all will result in hundreds of tiles for what an average user wil be using a computer for: office, games, "apps",.....


I have been providing support for Windows for about 20 years.

My observation: most owners of computers do no remove the showroom logo tags. They do not remove the installed crap, and ALL the desktop icons.

And many fill the desktop screen with documents and undeleted download files. And the start menu is completely filled with all of the installed junk.

This all happens because most people learn nothing about computer maintenance: how to find and use the interface's brooms, and dusters.


My perspcetive: Clutter is the result of user head-space. My installation of 8.5.3 is not cluttered. What I need is most often 1 click away. X1 requires more work for me because the designers were interested in de-cluttering more so than quck power use.

Windows 8 has a bunch of these same stupidities: getting to the power-off button,.. no easy way to shutdown remotely,...  MOVING the location for entering/changing a user password,...

X1: The FILTER is an example of increasing user attention to the UI, while reducing power.
No matter how easy it is to change filters, it requires attention to change from transients, to clips, to automation. In 8.5.3 all is available and therefore is much quicker. The only reason I can think of for the filters is it allows a change in the smart tools' functions. So the filters change to different smart tools.

And so on.

Win 8 "metro" is much the same with respect to making the user do more, especially us support dudes, while attempting to prohibit general user screw-ups.

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Re:Windows 8 really is quite outstanding for Sonar 2012/08/29 12:52:22 (permalink)
@Glyn Barnes... I think the reason a lot of companies are bailing on supporting Vista is because it just isn't well liked and most people jumped ship as soon as 7 came out. I also imagine that because of how sideways they went with Vista that it's probably a real pain to write/maintain programs/drivers for (could be wrong on that as I'm not a programmer). I think Vista was a really important stepping stone for MS in regards to getting to 7 but IMO it was flawed. I've worked on quite a few Vista machines over the years and even to this day I dread it. Unless you are willing to really sit down and learn all the backwards ins and outs of it like John has it's a real pain to get anything done on it and when it came out XP was still rockin' and didn't really start losing traction until after 7 came out. I also find Vista is really slow right out of the box. Not sure what that's all about but it has always lagged for me and that drives me nuts. Compare that to 7 which is far more intuitive it's clear why people bailed. My first time on a Win7 machine I knew pretty much where everything was without so much as glancing at resource material and I found the performance to be far better. Very snappy. The lack of the old style control panel was a little annoying but it wasn't too hard to figure out where they tucked everything and once GodMode was set up that issue completely disappeared. I really do think 7 is going to end up in the same boat as XP. It is just too good to drop without an alternative and if people continue to use it which will likely be the case other companies will be forced to support it or lose money. With Vista they may lose a couple of sales but the extra programming and maintenance will likely cost more than those losses. I feel MORE than secure that I'll be able to use 7 for many years to come... and that makes me a happy Beepster. :-)
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Re:Windows 8 really is quite outstanding for Sonar 2012/08/30 00:32:03 (permalink)
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With Vista they may lose a couple of sales but the extra programming and maintenance will likely cost more than those losses. 
That is most likely the case, so many went from XP straight to 7, most of us Vista users were the early adopters of 64 bit.
 
I use three PC, my work laptop, a general purpose PC at home and my DAW. The DAW is Vista and the other two Win 7. Personally I don't see an awful lot of difference, certainly nothing that makes me want to upgrade the O/S on the DAW, too much time and disruption for what I see as too little gain. I almost subscribe to the idea that Win 7 is a rebranded Vista Service pack 3. My tentative plan is to skip Win 7 altogether and, get a new DAW next year with Windows 8 (assuming its not a turkey)
 
I did not change to Vista until late in the life or the product (SP2 was already released) so I did not encounter the issues that put a lot of people off.

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