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Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/25 08:58:31 (permalink)
This was aired on PBS a few weeks ago. Great performances, Paul does it effortlessly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXGVaP-DtAk
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Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/25 09:22:31 (permalink)
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This was aired on PBS a few weeks ago. Great performances, Paul does it effortlessly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXGVaP-DtAk

So beautifully done (vocally) since Paul has decades of experience no doubt; his 'feel' and 'techniques' are flawless.  

The other guys also did a superb job! 


Thanks for posting that link :) 


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Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/25 10:52:01 (permalink)
Re: the photo of Lennon using just a windscreen. In Geoff Emerick's book he talks about the superb microphone techniques of Lennon & McCartney, who had trained themselves to turn their heads for plosives and sibilance, thus solving the problem at the source. 

After reading that, I started doing it myself, and it really works - but it's much harder to do than it sounds. A much easier technique is to simply sing slightly off-axis so that those big "P" gusts don't hit the diaphragm straight on. Of course, this works best with microphones that have a wide or omni pickup pattern.


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Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/25 13:29:04 (permalink)
"I shot my Puppies shoes - POP POP" Sounds like a solid sentence.
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Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/26 07:27:58 (permalink)
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Re: the photo of Lennon using just a windscreen. In Geoff Emerick's book he talks about the superb microphone techniques of Lennon & McCartney, who had trained themselves to turn their heads for plosives and sibilance, thus solving the problem at the source. 

After reading that, I started doing it myself, and it really works - but it's much harder to do than it sounds. A much easier technique is to simply sing slightly off-axis so that those big "P" gusts don't hit the diaphragm straight on. Of course, this works best with microphones that have a wide or omni pickup pattern.

Agree, it really does work and as you said in all honesty; such techniques are easy said than done. 


All my vocal tracks are done using a hand-held mic with no wind-shield and no pop-filter. 


But to be honest; I also cheated with my vocals by doubling (or sometimes triple-tracking) (multi-layered) and used all the old studio tricks (processing) to make my crappy wimpy vocals standout better in the mix.  


By doubling I mean; actually singing 'another' entire performance - track(s) and the trick to get it right; all performances must be tight and that alone takes practice, practice, practice. {questions to one-self} Why go through all that hassle?... because unlike using an Auto-Doubling FX, the end results is not the same and that's because; humans aren't perfect! 


The other trick up my sleeve;  on a separate track I sometimes record yet another vocal take;  a deliberate 'character change' (tone) to add 'dirt' (grunge) and that technique is based on a vocal techniques; tightening the throat -- sing from the throat.  The beauty about this is; less-likely to get Pops, Sibilants and wild-dynamics....  however; I have seen singers use that technique 'live' as their main vocal but often burn-out (lose their voice) half-way through the set.   Anyway... for my purpose; this particular 'dirt' technique allows me to blend that layer with my usual 'main' vocal track. Forget the Auto-Tune 'Throat Modelling' because it will not produce the same results (although maybe similar) because; human qualities particularly all those subtle variances; nuances in both tone and delivery (sorry, hard to explain)! 

Sorry.... more questions to one-self (time for my medication).... 

YEah sure, sure that's all nice and freaking interesting but how the heck does one pull off such a feat live?.... 

That's another trick that can be covered if ya' know what I mean --- hint: backing tracks! Cheating? in a way it is but those backing tracks are meant to be just that; backing; to enhance and not actually be as noticeable since the 'main' lead vocal is actually done 'live' and is mixed/layered 'on-top' of the backing tracks. 

AWww come on man you're pulling my wiener?... 

No, not at all --- I've actually did this vocal technique (cheats/tricks) 'live' at a 'No-Covers' concert in Darling Harbour, Sydney, 1998 after the event the sound guy actually said I did a great job; it sounded tight and nobody could tell there were vocal layers (backing)! But like I said; the trick to get it right is; practice, practice, practice. 

Sorry.... more questions to one-self (time for my medication).... 


Have you ever been abducted by aliens and had kinky experiments done to you?... 


Don't ask! 


Anyway.... sorry for going slightly OT and ranting on and on and on. 



 
 
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Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/26 11:45:57 (permalink)

My #1 tip for recording vocals is the same as for recording any other part: rehearsal. Lots of it. Rehearse until the words flow out without thinking about them.

My last vocal track was a 200 bpm song with lots of words, requiring careful breath control and fast enunciation. Knowing it was going to be a challenge, I started out recording individual phrases, planning to stitch them together later. But that surgical approach resulted in disjointed bits and pieces that just didn't sound like a believable performance. 
 
So after rehearsing the song a gazillion times I realized that I just might be able to sing it all the way through without messing up, and proceeded to do just that. I ended up using the very first take. It's one continuous performance end-to-end, no comping or edits and only a couple of pitch-corrected notes. I did screw up one line, but aside from making no sense the flow was there so I kept the incorrect lyrics anyway.




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Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/26 15:18:04 (permalink)
Nothing bugs me more than being in a session and the vocalist being totally un prepared. Not knowing what you're in the studio for is not a workflow. It's a turn the mic on and see what happens flow.
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Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/27 07:46:38 (permalink)
an I think you all exaggerate - I prefer natural singing with audible breathing same as guitar playing with friction sound of moving fingers along the strings. 
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Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/29 13:02:48 (permalink)
 I prefer the more natural approach as well unless the vocalist snorts between words;)

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Re:Pop filter on dynamic mic? 2012/10/29 19:54:25 (permalink)

Offnote: an I think you all exaggerate - I prefer natural singing with audible breathing same as guitar playing with friction sound of moving fingers along the strings. 

Starise: I prefer the more natural approach as well unless the vocalist snorts between words;) 


Yes of course a more natural approach is preferred.  

I said earlier; I DON'T use pop filters and wind-shields, and I like to use hand-held mics but it takes years of experience and most importantly no matter the experience it takes; practice, practice, practice to make sure I get it right at the source

Good vocal techniques are very important and it takes a lot of practice to get it right.  I practice a lot before recording my vocals.  Can't get more natural than that;  I say that because with good techniques you can reduce pops, sibilance and have much better 'control of breathing' (reduce breath noises) to the point where vocal performances sound much greater 'at the source' and of course 'NATURAL'!! And as you all know; getting it right at the source is very important. 

As Dave mentioned later; his #1 advise is; Rehearsal. (excellent advise)! 

I'm not a really good singer and I know it takes great effort to cut a good take. In fact it does not matter how awesome a singer is; they know the importance of rehearsing and being prepared before recording - before entering the recording studio. ((in that regard I also agree with iK Obi))! 

Let's be realistic without exaggeration; no matter how good a singer is no doubt there will be studio-cheats used more or less be it; filters, compressors, reverb and in some extremes; modulations and whatever else to make an otherwise less then extraordinary voice much better in relation to the 'song'.....  often it's the song and style approach ((music direction)) that determines the techniques used. 

IMO music is a labor of love, it takes a heck of a lot of effort but I love it... visit my music page HERE to see I've been actively involved in the art of writing, performing and recording. My work is not that great but I think it's passable.   

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