Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting?

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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/27 20:24:44 (permalink)
Beepster

It's a cool trick that was buried in the talented Mr Garrigus' X1 Power. I made sure to write it down in the little notebook that lives beside my DAW. I wonder when X2 Power is coming out.
Glad to be of service! 


That function also works on controls in the Track view and in the Inspector.


Working hard on SONAR X2 Power! but still a few months away. Why? Because the book will be based on the final shipping version of X2 and not the beta version. I want it to be as accurate as possible.


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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/27 20:43:28 (permalink)
Right on, Scott. I've been keeping that on my "must buy" list... and I'm a broke arsed bleepo so that really means something. The specific meaning is, "this is a crucial purchase to keep my home studio running and keep aggravation to a minimum".

Take your time, man. The more accuracy and detail the better. 

As long as you're here though... any thoughts on this weird selection mayhem? User error?
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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/27 20:48:23 (permalink)
I have 3 of Scott's books, including X1, but I guess I missed that tip. Thanks!
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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/27 20:52:15 (permalink)
Hey Beepster,

The "hollow wave" issue you're seeing is an intended result of using the isolate function.  That outlined area is a muted range in the clip.  If you have some lanes, select a range on one of them, and choose "isolate" it will mute that range on the others.
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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/27 21:01:39 (permalink)
This sounds similar to control dragging with the mute tool in lanes, no? You mute all other tracks exceppt the one you are control dragging over.
 
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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/27 21:03:37 (permalink)
It sounds like this might be what's going on...

Using the Mute tool, you can hold down Ctrl + Shift and select audio in a lane. That will isolate (or unmute) the audio you select, while also muting the same audio section in all other lanes.

That hollowed out waveform look means the audio is muted. 

Using this function is the 'official' way to do comping in SONAR.

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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/27 21:10:05 (permalink)
Thanks, Bill. Now I have a term I can research. However that was certainly not intended. It happened when I a) muted a small rhythm guitar clip which then muted a BFD MIDI clip (the weird selection issue) then b) when I selected and "isolated" the BFD clip to unmute it c) created hollow waves for that time period on two other rhythm guitar clips.

It really seems like when I click on or highlight or select anything it is applying the select to all of the tracks above it in my track list no matter what I do.. but randomly (it doesn't seem to happen all the time). However that is a very truncated assessment of what I am experiencing. It's a lot weirder than that but it's hard to define and describe. I'm shut down for the night but any and all ideas will help isolate what's going on. Doesn't seem to matter what tool I'm using and as I said sometimes it does it... sometimes it doesn't. I'll take a fresh look tomorrow. It's a shame because this tune is sounding pretty cool. I'd like to get it done and posted. Cheers and thanks for the insight.
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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/27 21:13:14 (permalink)
Okay cool, Scott. I'll re-read the section on that "isolate" "mute" function in X1 Power see if I can figure this out. But this particular thing has only happened once and it's since I tried that "isolate" function so I think the original selection problem is still gonna be haunting me. Cheers.
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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/27 21:14:24 (permalink)
@gswitz... lol. You and me both. :-/
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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/28 02:26:09 (permalink)
Hi Beepster..... Here's a link to one of my X1 videos that shows the mute tool in isolation mode. That may help a little, using that it really is both quick and easy to comp together a decent take from many.

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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/28 05:05:44 (permalink)
Beepster


@Noisy Neighbor. Thanks for posting. I am indeed working with lanes. Okay... maybe I'm not going crazy. Oof. I was hoping to have all my slip edits and fades done by now. If this a bug it's a pretty annoying one. If it's some weird default setting it's very strange and confusing. Cheers.



Sorry for late reply, I needed some sleep....

...some additional info: I recognized this issue in a largely project, originally created in X1. I'm currently working on a new project created in X2 which has only a few tracks yet. Here it works as expected. (so far) 
 
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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/28 11:58:08 (permalink)
Thanks, Carl. Gonna have to learn the virtues of the Mute tool I guess. Not used to doing things that way. Not sure how I'd do fades and stuff but I'll check out the vid and keep reading.

For now though I think I've figured out how to avoid this. I'm gonna start locking my tracks when I'm not working with them. Hopefully that will keep the wackiness from occurring. Again X1 Power to the rescue on this one. If anyone wants to know how to do this:

Select clips to be locked > Open the Inspector (I) > Click "Clip" button to open Clip Properties > then select Pos/Data and it will lock the position and settings of the clip. 

I haven't tried it yet but I think this might work. Cheers!
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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/28 11:59:37 (permalink)
@Noisy... This project was started in X2 so unfortunately I can't blame it on that. Cheers.
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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/28 16:15:21 (permalink)


...it was just a thought, Beebster. 

Anyway there are more and more little inconveniences coming to the surface in X2, that make me 
wonder if it's me or are they bugs. I think I just wait for the next update/fix/build and see what gets solved and/or what I've learned in the meantime.
Other than that X2 runs nice and solid here and I love most of the new features, but I have to say 
my workflow got a bit slowed down at the moment, mostly because of the take lanes (..using Sonar since ver.7).

... and b.t.w. Sott, (got X1 Power,...really helpful!)

are we all using the beta version and the final shipping version of X2 is still to come??? ;)

("...the book will be based on the final shipping version of X2 and not the beta version. I want it to be as accurate as possible...")  

regards all,
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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/28 16:27:24 (permalink)
Sorry, the suggestion was appreciated. Didn't mean to sound dismissive. Just letting the thread know it was a an X2 adventure from start to... well it's current state. 

Anyway, I just locked all the other tracks and I really think this is going to work. Wasn't too much hassle. I just clicked the folder group select, opened the inspector, pressed Clip then hit the "Lock" menu and selected Pos/Data. Even if I didn't have this problem it seems like a good habit to get into anyway to avoid screwing things up (especially when I've had a few barley pops). We'll see how it goes. Cheers, all.
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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/28 16:58:33 (permalink)
Noisy Neighbour
... and b.t.w. Sott, (got X1 Power,...really helpful!)

are we all using the beta version and the final shipping version of X2 is still to come??? ;)

("...the book will be based on the final shipping version of X2 and not the beta version. I want it to be as accurate as possible...")  

regards all,
Daniel
Hey Daniel,


Thanks very much! I appreciate it and I'm glad to hear you're enjoying the book.


Ha! Yes, I have the super secret final SONAR version that has absolutely no bugs at all. It's really amazing! 


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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/28 19:05:04 (permalink)
Locking the tracks/clips is working very well so far. Cool feature.
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Re:Why is X2 selecting clips I am nowhere NEAR selecting? 2012/10/28 19:12:26 (permalink)
Even if I didn't have this problem it seems like a good habit to get into anyway to avoid screwing things up (especially when I've had a few barley pops).

 
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