alexoosthoek
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/02/23 19:33:31
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chuckebaby
but if you want absolute quality,jim is a great builder from everything ive heard.
So is Scott and I know from personal experience. I happen to own three perfectly working computers from ADK :)
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chuckebaby
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/02/23 21:33:47
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alexoosthoek
chuckebaby
but if you want absolute quality,jim is a great builder from everything ive heard.
So is Scott and I know from personal experience. I happen to own three perfectly working computers from ADK :)
okay..scott too. Sorry alex,if i knew a little more about him i would have mentioned him as well. im sure he's a great builder.
post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/02/23 21:35:59
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tweed guy
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/02/23 21:51:24
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I just bought a new system and the SSD seems to be the biggest improvement. Finally I'm not waiting for X2 to load. I strongly recommend you put a SSD into your budget plans. My personal choice was an Intel 240 gig for the OS (win 7) and Sonar.
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LaryMary
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/02/24 09:10:39
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+1 for the SSD.
I have just built my own DAW, following Chucks video's, and an SSD was top of the list after the Mobo & CPU. From the moment I press the power button to the Windows 7 desktop appearing and being usable is less than 40 seconds!
As you can imagine, X2 producer boots up just as quick!
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chuckebaby
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/02/24 11:20:54
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+1 for the SSD.
I have just built my own DAW, following Chucks video's, and an SSD was top of the list after the Mobo & CPU. From the moment I press the power button to the Windows 7 desktop appearing and being usable is less than 40 seconds!
As you can imagine, X2 producer boots up just as quick!
Big thanks for the props LordELpus, :) if my videos helped you out im very happy. They are ment to be easy and understandable as is my book. i agree with you on the SSD,what a difference it makes. there is something to be said about building your own DAW,which you have done. you get the feeling you know the in's and out's and trouble shooting seems that much easier. This month alone ive built 4 DAW's,each one was under 500.00(No SSD though) more and more im having customers bring in their old hard drives and asking me to incorperate them in to their builds as a library back up. ive also noted alot of sonar users having great results with AMD's CPU's including myself.
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/02/24 11:36:42
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Remember you probably won't get Mike Dell on thr phone.... Yes, but you can get a guy named Peggy from India... what's the problem?  J
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/02/24 12:33:13
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Hi chuckebaby Great to hear that your able to build a sensible pc on a reasonable budget. Impressive. Many folks get all superior with their pc specs, and many will not share their pc knowlege so readily, they make a big deal about a charge for their 'consultation time' etc. You are showing that we can do ok, and you don't mind telling us exactly how to go about it. I like it. This is a user forum after all, not a place to fish for customers. Your videos on you tube, although basic, are very well put together and informative, enabling the novice builder to have the confidence to go ahead and build! I recently rebuilt my pc, using existing hard drives, video card, case, psu. I bought new cpu, fan, ram, ssd os drive, and mobo. My parts added: Asus Pz877 Ivy bridge i3770k and extra hi spec fan 16gig ddr3 RAM 128gig samsung SSD Focusrite saffire pro24dsp Works well. Running X2a producer 
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LaryMary
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/02/24 14:38:44
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chuckebaby
LordElpus
+1 for the SSD.
I have just built my own DAW, following Chucks video's, and an SSD was top of the list after the Mobo & CPU. From the moment I press the power button to the Windows 7 desktop appearing and being usable is less than 40 seconds!
As you can imagine, X2 producer boots up just as quick!
Big thanks for the props LordELpus, :)
if my videos helped you out im very happy.
They are ment to be easy and understandable
as is my book.
i agree with you on the SSD,what a difference it makes.
there is something to be said about building your own DAW,which you have done.
you get the feeling you know the in's and out's and trouble shooting seems that much easier.
This month alone ive built 4 DAW's,each one was under 500.00(No SSD though)
more and more im having customers bring in their old hard drives and asking me to incorperate them in to their builds as a library back up.
ive also noted alot of sonar users having great results with AMD's CPU's
including myself.
The videos gave me the confidence to have a go. I had built & soldered my own stuff many years ago so I was aware that the only thing I could do wrong was to be too 'enthusiastic' and to avoid static. I have to say I am stunned by the SSD. I knew how everyone was saying how good they were, but it surpassed my expectations. My only regret was that I couldn't stump up for a bigger one, but maybe next year! :-) You are right about a self-build. Each time I fire up the PC I say to myself " I built (assembled) this!!"  I never dreamed I would build one, especially at my age. I'm not old, but the worst thing was having to put on and take off my glasses so often :-) I am very pleased with my DAW. I am no professional so for me a really 'top of the line' DAW was not necessary, nor did I have the money. From what I can tell this one should last me out!! Gary
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alexoosthoek
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/02/24 16:26:51
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chuckebaby
alexoosthoek
chuckebaby
but if you want absolute quality,jim is a great builder from everything ive heard.
So is Scott and I know from personal experience. I happen to own three perfectly working computers from ADK :)
okay..scott too.
Sorry alex,if i knew a little more about him i would have mentioned him as well.
im sure he's a great builder.
No need to say sorry Charlie, just trying to keep the score even :)
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MPM11
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/03/24 13:46:24
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If you want a professionally built computer, go for it! You'll pay, of course, but you'll get what you pay for. there's a tendancy for people like me to compare my computer to this one or that one....worry about Intel/AMD, and suddenly my musicmaking takes a detour into computer design, and fretting over a system build/ cost vs benefit.... and all of the sudden I've spent time fretting instead of making music! For me, I just want a computer that's reliable, and has enough umph to do what I want it to do so I can make music. If you are now using a laptop, then chances are your HD is 5400 speed, which is slow, so no matter what you do, if you build a dedicated tower computer, it's going to smoke what you have now. Here's my way of thinking: I want a computer that runs fast and will do what I want it to do with my music....bottom line. I know that no matter how fast the computer is, if I have anti-virus programs on it, and am doing my e-mail and internet and using it for everything....the computer will be bogged down, the hard drive will be filled with stuff that boggs it down. so no matter what computer I get, if I can dedicate it for music making, it will run it's best. My pockets really aren't very deep, and my music income doesn't seem to cover my musical investments, so now I need TWO computers. One for the household, where the family uses it for everything, and one set aside for music. So I need an affordable computer that is respectably fast - fast enough to do everything I throw at it. My last build was about two years ago: AMD Phenome II 3.4Ghz six-core 8G ram SATA III - i just dropped an SSD in there for a system drive (amazing!) Windows 7 x64 sata III drives for recording and for virtual instruments it is stable, works well. Does everything i ask of it. the SSD performance boost was incredible. Make sure you are using AHCI mode on the drives, and remember to buy more space on it than you need because you lose 10% of the storage space when formatting the drive. because I only have windows and music applications on there, the system drive is very clean and sleek. Only have about 100 Gigs on that system drive. I could've gotten by with a 120G drive, but I ended up getting a 240G just to be safe - on newegg for $180. I bought an Intel SSD because of the high ratings. I really value having a stable system. so I have an Intel SSD, installed in an AMD system. interesting, huh? They seem to be getting along with each other very well. :) By the way, Rain did have an AMD system, last time i looked. that was a while ago.
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/03/24 13:49:42
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the short answer to your question is,
"naw!"
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/11 07:01:56
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chuckebaby! I just want to say in response to chuckebaby...THANKS. Your book is a result of a lot of hard work. Many, many people will benefit from your hard work. It is even more unbelievable that you have offered it for free for so long. I thank you. I have built two systems...many years ago, and almost can't even count them, as they are so ancient. I read your book and I understand it is not the final draft so no biggie there, hell I read it so fast I don't remember what, if any, spelling errors or grammatical errors there were. For me, though, at this point I need to speak to a pro-builder to understand what components I need. I truly believe I should be able to build a PC for under $500.00, as I am not taxing the system. So I need specific components and then I can assemble it easily, and the book would answer anything I might have forgotten over the years. Thanks again chuckebaby. Oh, and I am looking for the contact information for the guy that goes by Jim Rosenberry...I think that is his name, anyway he is mentioned a few times in this thread and I would love to get his or chuckebaby's brain for 10 minutes. Good luck to all...
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/11 07:39:39
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Jim Roseberry is his name.
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chuckebaby
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/11 08:46:49
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TremoJem
chuckebaby! I just want to say in response to chuckebaby...THANKS. Your book is a result of a lot of hard work. Many, many people will benefit from your hard work. It is even more unbelievable that you have offered it for free for so long. I thank you. I have built two systems...many years ago, and almost can't even count them, as they are so ancient. I read your book and I understand it is not the final draft so no biggie there, hell I read it so fast I don't remember what, if any, spelling errors or grammatical errors there were. For me, though, at this point I need to speak to a pro-builder to understand what components I need. I truly believe I should be able to build a PC for under $500.00, as I am not taxing the system. So I need specific components and then I can assemble it easily, and the book would answer anything I might have forgotten over the years. Thanks again chuckebaby. Oh, and I am looking for the contact information for the guy that goes by Jim Rosenberry...I think that is his name, anyway he is mentioned a few times in this thread and I would love to get his or chuckebaby's brain for 10 minutes. Good luck to all...
and you can, just keep in mind its not going to be a race horse, it will be an entry level pc capable of handling great loads but at not as fast as a professional build pc. its a trade off in price vs speed and some parts better quality than others. that's not to say it will be slow, you would actually be amazed at how fast some reasonably custom built priced pc's are. jim is a nice guy and from what ive heard, a great builder. not to mention his help here on the forum has been huge. we need people like him here to answer questions by novice's trying to understand systems. ive found his posts to be very educating.
post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/04/11 08:48:43
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/22 09:35:22
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Putting together my own computer and comparing the prices of the ADK and RAIN PC's I really don't see that they are over priced. Actually, the RAIN PC came in about $500 under the price of the PC I spec'ed out on Amazon.
I have bought pre assembled computers and built my own. I have horror and success stories on both sides.
I built my first computer in the late 70's from a kit. It malfunctioned when done, I troubleshot and fixed it.
I would never buy a Persario because I thought they were junk. I bought a Sony, in the 16 weeks that I was it's owner, I had it in my possession for about 3 weeks, the rest of the time it was in the shop. Under the Best Buy Extended Warranty I was allowed to turn it in for a replacement. The salesmen recommended a Compaq Persario. The specs match what wanted. I bought the Persario. It was been bounced around in a semi-truck for a couple of years, survived several moves, one take apart to clean the fans, and is still working the same way the day I bought it.
I had a customer that had a computer that would crash once a day. Again, it would never fail any diagnostic test. It crashed at different times, with different programs. I had one of my tech's swap her RAM with a new computer. We were buying the same computer by a dozen a month, why was hers crashing all the time. I decided to move her hard disk to another new computer. As I was pulling the hard disk out I noticed that the RAM stick pairs on the new computer were slightly different. I looked at her old computer and the RAM sticks looked the same, I pulled the sticks and found they were two different pairs, CAS was different. I got four identical sticks and put them into her computer. It never crashed again.
I built a computer that would throw a blue screen once a week. I could never keep it working for more than a week at a time. I ran the moving bit test and it passed every time. I ran every test in my diagnostic tool kit, it would never fail. We gave it away and replaced it with a Dell. The Dell has performed flawlessly for several years. The person that received the computer I built, scraped it for parts and every computer that received a part has never had a problem. Go figure!
I've built several computers since, all are still working or retired (in the closet collecting dust).
While the computers from ADK and RAIN *may* be a little more expensive, there seems to be a piece of mind to have something that I can take out of the box, plug it in and just turn it on.
When I call Tech Support I want someone that is technical, not someone readying from a script with a 2 second delay.
So to answer the OP question. Yes and no. Spec out what you want. Check it against the RAIN and ADK Machines. Spec out a PC with similar specs from the RAIN and ADK PC's. Is there really that much of a price difference? I was surprised that the RAIN came in under my price.
-JJ
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jcschild
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/22 13:22:44
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you really need to be looking at apple and apples when comparing me to rain..
Rain is way over priced compared to me (ADK) and some would say I am over priced.
but yes support, warranty, peace of mind!
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/22 14:30:50
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/22 14:56:53
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jjthomas
Here is my wishlist from Amazon: http://amzn.com/w/2E153JX2HMSU9
Can you build a better system for under $2500?
-JJ
see that big hole in the side of your case ? noise man. noise.
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/22 17:30:42
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jjthomas
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/22 18:02:06
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chuckebaby
see that big hole in the side of your case ?
noise man. noise.
I live next to a busy highway and have access to a studio when needed. Computer noise is not a problem, but than why add to the problem. PS good job on the videos. -JJ
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/22 18:18:56
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jcschild For whatever reason the link didn't work, here is what I was able to figure out the link should have been: here: Very nice system. No hole in the side of the case, plus you upgraded the processor. Would you be able to Install Sonar x2, Fruity Loops Studio, Project 5? I have licenses for all, of course. -JJ
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/23 02:00:49
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jjthomas
Here is my wishlist from Amazon: http://amzn.com/w/2E153JX2HMSU9
Can you build a better system for under $2500?
-JJ
It looks like some of the $500.00 difference may be the $450.00 video card. Nice if you are doing heavy gaming, but mostly useless for displaying audio applications interfaces. If one of the pro audio machines is using that kind of video, you should definitely avoid that builder.
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jcschild
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/23 09:52:52
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jjthomas
jcschild
For whatever reason the link didn't work, here is what I was able to figure out the link should have been:
here:
Very nice system. No hole in the side of the case, plus you upgraded the processor.
Would you be able to Install Sonar x2, Fruity Loops Studio, Project 5? I have licenses for all, of course.
-JJ
yup that's the exact system.. note the 4G not 2G 680 video card. (we don't even sell the 2g) assuming you are doing video editing? or some serious gaming.. dang I am still playing on an NVidia 285 (skyrim, tomb raider) and yes we actually prefer to preinstall your software and interface. (up to 3 for free) and sorry for the link I don't normally do that but since you asked !
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/23 09:56:29
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oh and for giggles FYI a less capable system from rain as close as I could get it was $4100
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jjthomas
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/23 10:05:48
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The video card was my request. I am very heavy into the flight games, FSX and Falcon. I also do some video editing from time to time.
It looks like there are a couple of worthwhile upgrades that added to the cost.
I really don't expect them to match Amazon. I'm paying for the piece of mind that I can upack, plug it in, boot and start making music. Or fly off somewhere.
There is also the support of if I start making music and and don't hear anything the person on the other end of the line can do more than tell me, "Did you reboot?"
-JJ
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/23 18:56:00
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jcschild
===snip jjthomas post for brevity===
yup that's the exact system..
note the 4G not 2G 680 video card. (we don't even sell the 2g) assuming you are doing video editing? or some serious gaming.. dang I am still playing on an NVidia 285 (skyrim, tomb raider)
and yes we actually prefer to preinstall your software and interface. (up to 3 for free)
and sorry for the link I don't normally do that but since you asked !
I caught the video card RAM difference. Don't feel too bad, I get my nvidia drivers from the archive section. Speaking of interfaces I would like to add the V100. I was tearing the Internet appart trying to figure out if I wanted the Mackie Onyx 820i when I ran across the V100 on your website. Also I would like the upgrade the processor to the Intel Core i7 IVB @ 4.5 GHz. No worries about posting the link. -JJ
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jcschild
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/24 10:05:18
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HI JJ,
give us a call or email I don't want to turn this into a sales floor. already bad enough I posted the link.
Scott ADK Home of the Kentucky Fried DAW!
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Re:Need a nice desktop computer, do i REALLY need some overpriced tower from RAIN or adk?
2013/04/25 20:13:42
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No problem. I chatted online and think I am set. Thank you. -JJ
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