Sir Les

chuckebaby


isnt firewire kinda being phased out a we bit?
please forgive me if im wrong,i mean no ignorance.
but should't thou be looking toward usb ?

like i said,please forgive thee if im wrong.

(please,speak in mid evil only)

Opps sorry...one more question to answer...I did not see you...but I will not denie you and answer.
 
Yes firewire is being phazed out by MS...for USB...Like I posed in one other post I put up about the fighting for domonance over...Apples invention..or Microsofts...
 
Now I tried USB...and found it had some issues...if I liked hearing keystrokes and mouse movements over my speakers...and headphones...I would merrily endorce it as a positive Port of calling for the masses...
But after trying to get that noise out of my head..and equipment...I moved to a more exclusive port...no mouse, no keyboards, no usb drives transfering stuff..or being paged..or whatever usb does while checking its ports...
 
See...should it be phazed out?....so many people bought in on it...and it does work to some extent on XP...atleast it was for me...
 
So why kill it?...or is it being killed prematurely to bring in usb ?..by MS?...
 
Not that I do not want help...I do...but I am not ready to be helped...as first I must get to square one...and I know I can..cause I have...it is finding the problem with my last build ...and this new one being built...and firewire.....Now if you spent $2,500.00 on a firewire mixing board...would USB be the solution for it?
 
So a need is there...and a reason for it...so why kill it?...if it is a card we can impliment with drivers...if it would only work....what is stopping it from working in WIN 7 properly?...where as in XP it works ...atleast I never had it crash on me while recording....
 
So...does it matter...?...Thunderbolt is another Apple Product....and it will be a new problem to solve for...and MS will try to corrupt it...no doubt about it....or make something better...So they may say....
 
But thanks for asking....I do not think it is out of need yet.....as many people are having problems with USB and FIREWIRE...So lots of things to consider....Just keepin it real....so I thought.

chuckebaby

Sir Les

chuckebaby


isnt firewire kinda being phased out a we bit?
please forgive me if im wrong,i mean no ignorance.
but should't thou be looking toward usb ?

like i said,please forgive thee if im wrong.

(please,speak in mid evil only)

Opps sorry...one more question to answer...I did not see you...but I will not denie you and answer.
 
Yes firewire is being phazed out by MS...for USB...Like I posed in one other post I put up about the fighting for domonance over...Apples invention..or Microsofts...
 
Now I tried USB...and found it had some issues...if I liked hearing keystrokes and mouse movements over my speakers...and headphones...I would merrily endorce it as a positive Port of calling for the masses...
But after trying to get that noise out of my head..and equipment...I moved to a more exclusive port...no mouse, no keyboards, no usb drives transfering stuff..or being paged..or whatever usb does while checking its ports...
 
See...should it be phazed out?....so many people bought in on it...and it does work to some extent on XP...atleast it was for me...
 
So why kill it?...or is it being killed prematurely to bring in usb ?..by MS?...
 
Not that I do not want help...I do...but I am not ready to be helped...as first I must get to square one...and I know I can..cause I have...it is finding the problem with my last build ...and this new one being built...and firewire.....Now if you spent $2,500.00 on a firewire mixing board...would USB be the solution for it?
 
So a need is there...and a reason for it...so why kill it?...if it is a card we can impliment with drivers...if it would only work....what is stopping it from working in WIN 7 properly?...where as in XP it works ...atleast I never had it crash on me while recording....
 
So...does it matter...?...Thunderbolt is another Apple Product....and it will be a new problem to solve for...and MS will try to corrupt it...no doubt about it....or make something better...So they may say....
 
But thanks for asking....I do not think it is out of need yet.....as many people are having problems with USB and FIREWIRE...So lots of things to consider....Just keepin it real....so I thought.

althought you didnt speak in mid-evil lesley,i have listened.
and i feel for you.some of those things your talking about you are correct.
i feel for you expecially with an exspensive board being firewire.
and hey,a few years back,firewire was and still is faster than usb right?
 
your caught in the market les,im sorry but its true.
i refuse to go apple anything,besides my phone(only preference) but even my Iphone i dont like having to buy my appz at their store or install their software to download my songs.
 
its the timecapsle effect and it ripples through all your gear,because one thing chain reacts with another right?
i would suggest,hanging back on what you got untill your ready to make a big jump and re-build.
maybe the allen and heath(i think you mentioned,maybe im wrong)firewire board can be converted.
im not really sure about that.but i do know technology has no remorse,sorry to hear man.
 
I wish you best on this.
 
Charlie

WDI

I like fast transfer rates to alieve bottlenecks...which I am trying to solve for in why my other build is crashing and dumping

I don't believe a bottle neck will give you a bsod if that is what your talking about. A drop out in sonar yes, but not a bsod. That is usually hardware with a bad driver me thinks. 

Sir Les

Paul P


Les : "Oh Paul...in your reading into Sata speeds...when putting a ssd and a slower sata 2 drive on the same port...what are the problems if any?

Just a thought of thoughts I was trying to remidie with the sata 3 card...and faster drives on respective ports...of calling."

I don't know what you mean by "on the same port".

You have two SATA III ports and 4 SATA II ports going through your Intel X79 chip. That's what it's there for. These ports should be as fast and reliable as it's possible to get. You also have 2 more "Sata III" ports running off the Marvell controller. However, that controller can in no way offer full Sata III speeds, like the X79. The Marvell related functionality is quite a bit of BS if you look into it. It also requires a driver to be loaded for it to work. I've just disabled it on my system.

Finally, you also appear to have a couple extra 6 gb/s sata ports running off a ASMedi 1061 SATA controller. I know nothing about this guy as I don't have it on my WS motherboard.

All this to say that you don't need a pcie sata III card. I don't remember how many hard drives you have but you've got ports for plenty. On my system, I have my SSD and one 1TB hard drive on the Intel Sata III ports. I then have two more 1TB drives, a DVD drive and Bluray drive on the four Intel sata II ports. My hard drives are "Sata III" WD Caviar Blacks which can't benefit from a Sata III port.

Are you doing this build yourself, or is the computer store doing it for you ? If it is, it's not giving me the best of feelings about their competence. I hope you get this thing sorted out quickly. As you say, in 2013 we shouldn't be having any problems. I think things have gotten too big for anyone to get a proper handle on.

Yes Paul...I have let the computer store find, and get the board to post correctly...and now I have the system to fiddle and work out the bugs......
 
Let us say 2x sata 3 ports are on this board for system drives....one drive is a sata 3 drive ssd M4 256gb (C:)...and on the same port ..1x sata2 drive (d:)....
 
So does the port slow down the ssd in transfer or wirte rates to the other slower drive...which is on the same port? ..when addressing both on that same port in a recording situation of 16 tracks of 88.2/24bit...?
 
That is kinda as detailed as I can make the question....Hope you understand the direction...it is just a veriable..a possibility in slowing or bottlenecking the system...
 
So in light of such a possibility..and there may be reason to ask?...We should try to stamp out all veriables first...true?....if that is possible...?
 
In any case, this has to start at 101...the building...first things first...and we will no doubt come to all veriables when that needs to be addressed down the road....But since you brought it up...I though I would ask you a more technical Question about it....as I have not looked into this...But with my Hammer in hand now...I thought my approch to snuffing it with a sata 3 port and sata 3 drives galour...would .
 
One of the other questions I think I posed in past..was..Can a Pci-e 1x card be put onto a PCIe x16 slot....
Well, In my attempt to find out...Yes it can...but it has to be able to ...some cards don't like it...and when doing so...what is being shared with that when done?
and is it safe to put a sata3 card on a shared slot?.....see more veriables arising?.
 
So..as I only have two PCI-e 1x slots on my Sabertooth x58 board...both are used..one is for firewire, one is for UAD quad solo card...there is no room for the sata3 card left on its respective slot.(not enough of em)..But I have lots of PCI-e 16x slots not being used....so...not being well instructed or informed on this problem....I took out the sata3 card from the PCI-E 16x slot...and put inplace that SATA3 motherboard PORT a drive that is suited for it...to go along with the ssd...and I named that drive volume" 6gbps"..so When I record...it is to that drive....
 
That should clear up that veriable, to some degree???...if not..another ssd should....and YES Moe MONEY!...and another Pie to bake...down the road...
 
WOE dare my valiant steed......I found more shrubberries...
 
LOL.
 
 
 

Paul P


I don't think I can add anything more to your project until you've done some further experimenting. I'm very interested in your situation since I have a similar system, so keep us informed of your progress. For myself, I'm not going to worry about IRQs until something fails to work properly, which for the moment is not the case (but then again, I haven't made intensive use of my system yet).

Thanks for the links, they were an interesting read. I am under the impression, which may be wrong, that with a really powerful system some resource management problems that are encountered in lesser systems may just not show up.