Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE

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Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE

Hi all, I use a lot of outboard gear, and I also prefer to use external converters. I am forced to use PT for clients but I really like Sonar. And what Sonar is missing is a nice pro-level Control Surface. I do not need or want an all in one hardware piece, that is pro-sumer. I simply want a decent size beautiful and impressive looking Control Surface. I don't want pre's or converters in, I have my choice of pre's and converters that I use as I am sure many of you do as well. There is options out there but none absolutely none of them look anything like what I would want in one, apart from maybe the C24 or the SSL Matrix(except it doesn't need to be a mixer and that should keep cost's much lower) If Cakewalk/Roland can build a piece that has pre's and converters included for 2.2k why don't they build a larger size Control Surface that is visually more appealing but doesn't have the pre's or converters. So I am listing features that would be important to me: 1. Full Size VERTICAL level Meters included in the board that correspond with each channel ( Very Important). None of the control surfaces out there have full size level Meters. 2. Minimum 16 to 24 motorized faders with the option to add way more that match the surface perfectly. 3. Larger than the Mackie UC or any other control, similar size to SSL Matrix or C24. 4. Full SONAR compatibility I think if Sonar had such Hardware to go with it a lot more pro's would become interested. 5. And no overblown IPAD touchpad technology, but real solid faders, knobs and LEDs. My 2 cent's hope some agree.
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    Saxon1066
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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/26 20:19:37 (permalink)
    +1.  I've been hoping for this for years and years.  I asked a Cake tech support guy about that a year ago, and he said he didn't think any such thing was in the works.
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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/26 21:06:31 (permalink)
    I feel exactly the same way. I don't think this would be hard for Cakewalk to accomplish at all. Roland has been building solid equipment for ages.
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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/26 21:20:12 (permalink)
    Fwiw:

    I am "Completing" a 5 wide (40 channel) BCR2000 in-line control surface plug in.

    It works but is still vaporware as yet. I supports 6 "pages" Vol-Sends-Pan, PC EQ Levels,
    PC EQ Q, PC EQ Freq, PC EQ LP/Hp, PC Sat and PC Comp. - with an optional "standard mixer eq" where the lowest pot is LF shelf the next pot up is Mid level, the next pot up is Mid sweep, and the top pot is High shelf. - Using the PC EQ or Sonitus for lesser Sonar versions

    Page 7 is 32 pot ACT (yes 32) for all your FX, FX chains and VSTi needs.

    Before you scoff at a bcr2000, coupled with 5 bcf2000s to handle the volume and pan and
    the 5 bcr2000 taking care of the rest (eqs sat comp and act dx) it can be pretty sweet.

    See my 4 wide as it was being built a couple years ago post #69

    http://www.gearslutz.com/...x-bcf-bcr-2000s-3.html

    I work on it every day and will release it .

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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/26 22:22:22 (permalink)
    Hi Bitman, WOWW, I am truly surprised at how good that looks. You seem to be aiming for the same look I am looking for. If I hadn't seen that I would've laughed at you for even bringing up Behringer. Imagine Behringer made a meter bridge as well, that would be insane. Behringer could make this tomorrow if they wanted to, if only someone could reach out. Thank you for sharing this. But as it is would it work with SONAR without your plugin? Because these seem to be so cheap i feel like getting em tomorrow.
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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/26 23:29:53 (permalink)
    @OutBoard Don't know if this works for you but if you haven't seen it, have a look - http://www.bluaudio.org/d8bridge/index.html Check out the videos on the site. They also have a forum if you want to know more.

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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/26 23:45:18 (permalink)
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    Hi Bitman, WOWW, I am truly surprised at how good that looks. You seem to be aiming for the same look I am looking for. If I hadn't seen that I would've laughed at you for even bringing up Behringer. Imagine Behringer made a meter bridge as well, that would be insane. Behringer could make this tomorrow if they wanted to, if only someone could reach out. Thank you for sharing this. But as it is would it work with SONAR without your plugin? Because these seem to be so cheap i feel like getting em tomorrow.


    It's pretty much a 32 knob brick without some plug
    The bcf2000's on the other hand can emulate a mackie and run multiple parallel units as such.
    That's how I use my bcfs - mackie emu.
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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/27 06:59:54 (permalink)
    Actually Roland HAD a dedicated controller in the VS700C.  It was bit pricey and now with some pretty unhappy owners because of the lack of updates for it since 8.5.   I don't know that Roland will commit to a control surface- but who knows.  The touch screen stuff is promising but there aint nothin' like touching a real knob.

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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/27 07:19:31 (permalink)
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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/27 07:27:04 (permalink)
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    +1.  I've been hoping for this for years and years.  I asked a Cake tech support guy about that a year ago, and he said he didn't think any such thing was in the works.
    I would like to see something like YAMAHA NUAGE but in price range around 10K.
    If you lock it and only use it with SONAR X2. Becasue of that as a VIP-inhouse user sold only for 1K = 10% of actual cost.
    If you want to use it also with other DAWs you need to pay 10K.



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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/27 10:36:51 (permalink)
    Just how big of a market do you think there is for a large (read expensive) controller console just for SONAR users?

    The VS700 was a great integration of hardware and SONAR.  You could probably find a cheap one now.  Which should tell you all you need to know about the possibilty of an even more expensive console.  Everybody would want one, few would pay the $5000-10,000+ to have one.

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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/27 17:52:15 (permalink)
    @ Bitman
    Your behringer fader boards (ie: "poor man's Icon")  look fantastic. I have watched your posting on it for a year or so and have considered pulling the trigger on those many times. I eventually ended up getting 3 korg nano kontrollers that function close to the brf2000's. Now if I  can just find a rotary controller for the knobs. I may get the behringers for that, but I'd really like to get something that match the korgs better.

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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/27 18:54:47 (permalink)
    I'd love one for SONAR too, but I would be in fear that after a couple of years support would slow and trickle off for it.
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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/28 03:08:19 (permalink)
    Here are two links for the same surface.  The first is from Sweetwater's just for the price and such.  The second link is the product info page from the manufacturer.

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/M24/

    http://www.mixedlogic.com/

    I intend to pick one of these up.

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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/28 04:41:47 (permalink)
    Hi,
    I had some scepticism if touchscreen is the possible future for DAW's, but after watching the videos and reading comments from people working with a touchscreen as a DAW-controller, it seems for me it could be really the future. And it's just a cheaper solution too, than building a DAW-Controller with faders and potis. Of course, we can't go without a mouse or keyboard yet (maybe in the distant future), but it could be certainly a real replacement for a physical DAW-Controller. And it's the same with everyting, someone like it more than others and you have to adapt to it as with other new things.
    I think the market for hardware-controllers is getting smaller. So I´m very curious about the future of touchscreens for DAW's and if the development is in a good way, I'm going to purchase one in the near future. So I think Cakewalk is going in the right way.

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    Re:Build a solid large control surface (only) for SONAR... PLEASE 2013/02/28 04:46:40 (permalink)
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    Hi,
    I had some scepticism if touchscreen is the possible future for DAW's, but after watching the videos and reading comments from people working with a touchscreen as a DAW-controller, it seems for me it could be really the future. And it's just a cheaper solution too, than building a DAW-Controller with faders and potis. Of course, we can't go without a mouse or keyboard yet (maybe in the distant future), but it could be certainly a real replacement for a physical DAW-Controller. And it's the same with everyting, someone like it more than others and you have to adapt to it as with other new things.
    I think the market for hardware-controllers is getting smaller. So I´m very curious about the future of touchscreens for DAW's and if the development is in a good way, I'm going to purchase one in the near future. So I think Cakewalk is going in the right way.

    Timo


    You are not the only one thinking and checking out touchscreen...


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