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can ewe here me? 2013/04/23 19:37:43 (permalink)
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Re:can ewe here me? 2013/04/23 19:55:44 (permalink)


If you did you could read the explanation and answer Strummy's suppositions at the website I linked to above. :-)

Or you can fast track straight to this:

http://www.rotarywoofer.com/howlowcanwehear.html


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mike
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Re:can ewe here me? 2013/04/23 20:15:48 (permalink)
Nice find Steve!  Now I know I need to make a high-frequency generator to drive the neighbor's cats crazy...

Hehe...

 
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Re:can ewe here me? 2013/04/23 20:22:09 (permalink)


Hi Drew,

You're my favorite kind of skeptic.



The perceived character of the sound changes gradually with frequency. For pure tones the tonal character and the sensation of pitch decrease with decreasing frequency, and they both cease around 20 Hz. Below this frequency tones are perceived as discontinuous. From around 10 Hz and lower it is possible to follow and count the single cycles of the tone, and the perception changes into a sensation of pressure at the ears. At levels 20-25 dB above threshold it is possible to feel vibrations in various parts of the body, e.g. the lumbar, buttock, thigh and calf regions. A feeling of pressure may occur in the upper part of the chest and the throat region. 

I wonder if your impressions were different than what they describe?  




I thought that a pure 4hz tone didn't suggest very much chromatically. It wasn't music. But when the synthesized chords played you could sense that the "beating" if you will of the really slow frequency has a harmonic relationship to the higher tones. It also contributed a rhythmic component to the music that I imagine could either seem complimentary or clashing.


I think there's potential for creating music that seems musical.


I liked the effect best when the lowest tone was just at the threshold of hearing and not such a prominent beating tone. When it was just at the threshold it had a tremendous ability to accent a sense of emotion.


I think there's lots of potential for making fresh content but I wonder how many people will ever be able to listen.




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mike








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Re:can ewe here me? 2013/04/23 20:27:24 (permalink)
Can it do a 3.4375Hz note for Bapu?

 
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Re:can ewe here me? 2013/04/23 20:30:45 (permalink)
I'm wondering what 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419 sounds like.


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Re:can ewe here me? 2013/04/23 20:52:32 (permalink)

Seems like a good complement:

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Re:can ewe here me? 2013/04/23 21:22:06 (permalink)
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I'm wondering what 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419 sounds like.


I don't know, except that it would be better with ice cream.

 
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Re:can ewe here me? 2013/04/23 21:41:08 (permalink)


Yeah man!


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Re:can ewe here me? 2013/04/23 22:33:46 (permalink)
mike_mccue

I thought that a pure 4hz tone didn't suggest very much chromatically. It wasn't music.
Us bass players can do that at 40Hz! 

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re:can ewe here me? 2013/04/23 22:43:44 (permalink)
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mike_mccue

I thought that a pure 4hz tone didn't suggest very much chromatically. It wasn't music.
Us bass players can do that at 40Hz! 


When Bapu went to college, I don't know if he majored in anything, but I hear he minored in 440Hz...

 
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Re:can ewe here me? 2013/04/24 02:51:25 (permalink)
There's another obvious benefit to this that hasn't been mentioned.
 
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Re:can ewe here me? 2013/04/24 08:14:51 (permalink)


With regards to the concern about wind.

Consider that the fan blades are pitched so as to oscillate back and forth at the playback frequencies. The blade pivots mechanisms are actually attached to a traditional voice coil mechanism so they oscillate just like a speaker cone.

The whole concept is to fit a *effectively* big cone, with a giant Xmax factor, into a small space. The room just thinks there is a giant woofer pushing and sucking, and that creates the change in pressure that we perceive as sound. But, it's all done with a tiny fan.

If there is no sound being sent to them the blades spin but they are "flat".

They make noise when they "push" or "pull" the air. It just happens that the pivoting movement creates a complex wave front rather than the constant drone we recognize as "fan noise" of a fixed blade fan.

So there is some very minor fanblade noise, but not what I think most people first anticipate.

If the fan is not making a specific sound with it's variable pitched blades... it spins with the blades flattened and the blades are relatively silent.

There is a very faint motor noise as well... but the motor is operating in another room.




With regards to concerns about Wavelength:

Distance, size, etc of hearing apparatus seems to help with localization of the source of a sound.

Our ears hear the Delta or Change in sound pressure levels. We can hear that change in pressure easily with the ears we have.

I will speculate that some of the things Steve mentioned about ear structure are evidenced in the Flecther Munson curves and that our ear structure is related to the SPL required for our ability to perceive the presence of the sound.

I will speculate that this is why, as Drew mentioned... low frequencies need to be at higher SPL for us to listen to them along with easier to hear frequencies. It's how our ears work.




Hi Steve,
 One of the things this new woofer has done has been to allow people to study and demonstrate that we can clearly hear down to a couple Hertz. Prior to this technological development there wasn't an effective way to produce an isolated test tone. Now there is. Come on over, we'll go on afield trip. :-)
 Historically there were many researchers who knew we could hear down there... but now they are using this woofer to present better proof. Mr. Thigpen told us that, to date, most of his customers have been researchers who had a long standing desire for the ability to make test tones like this and so they have made purchases and integrated the tech into their ongoing endeavors.


 All the best,
mike


post edited by mike_mccue - 2013/04/24 08:16:54


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