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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 08:46:05
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And as for your line about 'morale', I find that rather counter-intuitive, although it is concomitant with the rest of your post. If we're only allowed to exalt Cakewalk, and never criticise their products or business modus operandi, what a saccharin-sweet den of abject sycophancy this place would soon become. And how much poorer the quality of their products would be, with nobody allowed to point out any problems and grievances with it.
Do this on the IK Multimedia forum and your psots will quickly be deleted or threads will belocked. I've had this a couple times for expressing my concerns on never ending i-xxx products and no development in the full desktop apps, the missing stealthboard etc etc.
I'm a long term member of IK who owns a lot of there software and interfaces. They will not have a bad word or difference in opinion said over there whatsoever.
You wouldn't want that to happen in here though, would you?
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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 08:58:17
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And as for your line about 'morale', I find that rather counter-intuitive, although it is concomitant with the rest of your post. If we're only allowed to exalt Cakewalk, and never criticise their products or business modus operandi, what a saccharin-sweet den of abject sycophancy this place would soon become. And how much poorer the quality of their products would be, with nobody allowed to point out any problems and grievances with it.
Do this on the IK Multimedia forum and your psots will quickly be deleted or threads will belocked. I've had this a couple times for expressing my concerns on never ending i-xxx products and no development in the full desktop apps, the missing stealthboard etc etc.
I'm a long term member of IK who owns a lot of there software and interfaces. They will not have a bad word or difference in opinion said over there whatsoever.
You wouldn't want that to happen in here though, would you?
No Way. I was peeved to find a forum moderator had deleted my post without even a warning or a PM. A long term member with £1000's invested, many thank you's for helping on the forum and then just cut off a thread when I say I'm not into their i-deveices because I don't even own iPhone or iPad. Peeved I say 
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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 09:02:20
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I have to post. I don't want to because I think this thread is an insult to CW. Nor do I think it is posted in any sort of good faith. The question asked can't be answered with any certainty. The OP has to know that. Also it in a way it puts people on record. What happens if you say I wont upgrade now but later when a new version is released you go for it? Or the opposite?
Mike you have been around long enough to know that CW does not normally get involved with the threads on this forum. Thats not to say they don't come here and say something on occasion. But its been my experience that it runs hot or cold with the Bakers. Sometimes they are here other times they are not. Usually they are here when there is a new release.
Often members beg for CW to answer a question here. That is often futile for good reasons. It encourages more begging.
We don't know what is going on at CW but that seems not to impede speculation. What we are seeing is a rumor mill in full operation and those that have been here awhile ought to know better.
No matter what your views are on X2 I think its very unfair to persist with negative comments about CW's future. No one here knows anything about it. All it does is cause a general low morale for us and for the people at CW.
If you care about this forum and CW and how well it does please put an end to this thread.
I do not want CW to do anything but we can simply stop posting in it.
Sounds a bit like censorship to me John.
People have paid their hard earned cash for Cakewalk's software (or more accurately, the Licence to use it), and are thereby entitled to express their opinions about it - albeit within the TOS. And it's up to Cakewalk to decide whether or not those opinions are allowed to remain in here, not you, or me, for that matter.
And as for your line about 'morale', I find that rather counter-intuitive, although it is concomitant with the rest of your post. If we're only allowed to exalt Cakewalk, and never criticise their products or business modus operandi, what a saccharin-sweet den of abject sycophancy this place would soon become. And how much poorer the quality of their products would be, with nobody allowed to point out any problems and grievances with it.
I've always had the utmost respect for guys such as yourself who have put your lives on the line to protect my right to free speech from those all too willing to take it away from me; I can never understand why you'd want to deny that right in a public forum of all places.
I can see why some don't see my point of view. But you mention free speech. Since when did this forum become public and what ever happened to the TOS? It is a forum that does not belong to us it belongs to CW. Every post is their property. Because they are not anal about what is said here doesn't mean it is public. All forums are hosted by some one and what is there is not up to you or me but them. If this were a purely public forum with no owner no one could ever be banned. We know that members have in fact been banned. You could say they were exercising their God given right of free speech. Now they are gone. So much for free speech. Also the complaints in part are from people that have not posted about their issues but have come here to bash and speculate. Where is anyone asking what steps were taken to solve their problem? Did any of them even bother to contact CW? Its very easy to make a thread like this and suck people up into it for reasons I can't figure out. Again I have already said that I do not want CW doing anything about this thread. That is because I prefer for us to handle it. That means voicing another point of view for those that believe in free speech, what about mine? It seems to me that in this case I am the one that is taking the unpopular view. Isn't that where protecting the speech is most important? Or have I got it all wrong?
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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 09:04:07
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X3? Prolly not for me.
I have, but do not use, the X series. Too many menus (filters, note values, take lanes, meters,...), Extra clicks for most everything, Wasted screen space, lack of user-configurability, reduced quick feedback of state,... The X series requires more attention to the interface.
Example:
8.5: peripheral vision awareness of note values,...
X: requires movement and focusing of eyes on menu header to READ values,... more attention to the interface.
Example: in my wood workshop I place tools on the bench for quick use.
The X series way: all tools are automatically replaced in the drawers, and cabinets, and on the wall, requiring more attention to finding the tool needed again. Wasted time at best.
The "de-cluttering" mania used a too-wide brush sweeping away many reasonable bits: i.e., small-button bars,...
Putting note values on a menu is a clear example of mental hysteria and mob behavior. No one with enough power said, "That is stupid."
FYI: It took 5 numbered versions (6 years) for Sonar to get configurable menus and taskbars.
CW managers: Reducing the price of upgrades was a major stupidity. There are ways to increase user-base and make a profit. But, reducing price is not one of them. It attracts users with expectations of more for less. Results: the company has more users to care for, and less money to do so. Not a good strategy.
A good strategy is to create a cohort of supporting businesses. When others are able to make money selling add-in products promotion costs are reduced, user-base is increased, the primary company can focus on the core product and expertise.
VST is a great example of product promotion through 3rd party participation. Pro-channel, not so much.
Example:
Reaper:
proprietary without secretiveness, open to 3rd party support
configurable everything
programming interface, and user macro language, attachable to 1-click buttons
extensive selection of user created GUI templates/skins/themes ( with sizable faders,...)
(take a look at the houseofwhitetie.com theme: a third party add-on!)
a deep understanding that the user forum is the MOST important asset a business has, when used as such
a constant dialog between managers, programmers, and users
(Until today: CW: main forum page: announcements: last post: October 05, 2011)
I used products that enhanced Sonar's use (CAL extensions, macro add-on,...) that were thwarted by CW's managers unwillingness to cooperate. Bad business.
And the beat goes on.
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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 09:10:16
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I worked for a company who had the contract to manufacture the first touch screens back in the early 90's.
we knew it was the future, we were using it to control everything in our labs.
don't deny touch man. it aint going anywhere. its large scale.
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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 09:28:26
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The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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SteveStrummerUK
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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 11:14:10
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☄ Helpfulby Bub 2013/06/05 11:39:49
deanx
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deanx
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And as for your line about 'morale', I find that rather counter-intuitive, although it is concomitant with the rest of your post. If we're only allowed to exalt Cakewalk, and never criticise their products or business modus operandi, what a saccharin-sweet den of abject sycophancy this place would soon become. And how much poorer the quality of their products would be, with nobody allowed to point out any problems and grievances with it.
Do this on the IK Multimedia forum and your psots will quickly be deleted or threads will belocked. I've had this a couple times for expressing my concerns on never ending i-xxx products and no development in the full desktop apps, the missing stealthboard etc etc.
I'm a long term member of IK who owns a lot of there software and interfaces. They will not have a bad word or difference in opinion said over there whatsoever.
You wouldn't want that to happen in here though, would you?
No Way. I was peeved to find a forum moderator had deleted my post without even a warning or a PM. A long term member with £1000's invested, many thank you's for helping on the forum and then just cut off a thread when I say I'm not into their i-deveices because I don't even own iPhone or iPad.
Peeved I say
John
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I have to post. I don't want to because I think this thread is an insult to CW. Nor do I think it is posted in any sort of good faith. The question asked can't be answered with any certainty. The OP has to know that. Also it in a way it puts people on record. What happens if you say I wont upgrade now but later when a new version is released you go for it? Or the opposite?
Mike you have been around long enough to know that CW does not normally get involved with the threads on this forum. Thats not to say they don't come here and say something on occasion. But its been my experience that it runs hot or cold with the Bakers. Sometimes they are here other times they are not. Usually they are here when there is a new release.
Often members beg for CW to answer a question here. That is often futile for good reasons. It encourages more begging.
We don't know what is going on at CW but that seems not to impede speculation. What we are seeing is a rumor mill in full operation and those that have been here awhile ought to know better.
No matter what your views are on X2 I think its very unfair to persist with negative comments about CW's future. No one here knows anything about it. All it does is cause a general low morale for us and for the people at CW.
If you care about this forum and CW and how well it does please put an end to this thread.
I do not want CW to do anything but we can simply stop posting in it.
Sounds a bit like censorship to me John.
People have paid their hard earned cash for Cakewalk's software (or more accurately, the Licence to use it), and are thereby entitled to express their opinions about it - albeit within the TOS. And it's up to Cakewalk to decide whether or not those opinions are allowed to remain in here, not you, or me, for that matter.
And as for your line about 'morale', I find that rather counter-intuitive, although it is concomitant with the rest of your post. If we're only allowed to exalt Cakewalk, and never criticise their products or business modus operandi, what a saccharin-sweet den of abject sycophancy this place would soon become. And how much poorer the quality of their products would be, with nobody allowed to point out any problems and grievances with it.
I've always had the utmost respect for guys such as yourself who have put your lives on the line to protect my right to free speech from those all too willing to take it away from me; I can never understand why you'd want to deny that right in a public forum of all places.
I can see why some don't see my point of view. But you mention free speech. Since when did this forum become public and what ever happened to the TOS? It is a forum that does not belong to us it belongs to CW. Every post is their property. Because they are not anal about what is said here doesn't mean it is public. All forums are hosted by some one and what is there is not up to you or me but them.
If this were a purely public forum with no owner no one could ever be banned. We know that members have in fact been banned. You could say they were exercising their God given right of free speech. Now they are gone. So much for free speech.
Also the complaints in part are from people that have not posted about their issues but have come here to bash and speculate. Where is anyone asking what steps were taken to solve their problem? Did any of them even bother to contact CW?
Its very easy to make a thread like this and suck people up into it for reasons I can't figure out.
Again I have already said that I do not want CW doing anything about this thread. That is because I prefer for us to handle it. That means voicing another point of view for those that believe in free speech, what about mine?
It seems to me that in this case I am the one that is taking the unpopular view. Isn't that where protecting the speech is most important? Or have I got it all wrong?
What on earth are you on about John - of course it's "public". And in exactly the same way as anywhere in 'real' life, and online, where there are no restrictions to anyone joining or participating. And the same as real life, there are rules. Break them and you suffer the consequences, whatever they may be. To say that "if this was a public forum no one could be banned" is like saying that you could say and do whatever you like in a public bar and not be thrown out by the owner. And incidentally, God didn't give me free speech (if anything, he seems to be trying his level best to abolish it completely for most of the inhabitants of this planet), it's guys like you who gave it to me, and have protected it for me; that was the point I was trying to make. And read my post again - nowhere did I say that I wanted you to stop expressing your point of view at all, I simply disagreed with it. I just don't understand why you always feel the need to defend this company? If they need their 'good name' and 'business practices' defended by some guy on a forum, then they are in more trouble than anyone here would like to believe. My firm belief is that apart from one or two obvious trolls, everyone who complains about a Cakewalk product in these forums, and threatens to jump ship to a rival DAW, would much rather the software actually worked for them.
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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 12:52:34
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wetdentistit would not surprise me at all if Sonar got killed. Along with many others here.... I've been with Cakewalk since v3.0 and watched it's evolution having every version through 5.0PE and recently pulled the trigger on X2a. I'm not a power user and Cakewalk has always performed well and easily fits my needs. Although I'm no alarmist and wallow in total ignorance of the software business protocols/decisions the above has been a concern of mine since the Roland involvement. There's so many other platforms out there now which can be more cost effective I wonder how so many can actually continue to survive in such a competitive, ever changing environment. Personally, I will stay with Cakewalk and I have never had any reason to defect as I don't believe the grass is necessarily greener with other platforms over time. I will only hope that the above scenario never occurs and the X series continues to thrive and compete well in a hellish market. Carry on....
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Re: X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 12:59:43
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X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
Yes , specially now, just builded a new system with an Intel I 7 cpu.
It.s runnung like hell (or heaven, what you like better) here
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Re: X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 14:00:55
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Personally, whether Roland is involved or not doesn't make a difference to me. I think Roland is pretty darn innovative. Look at V-Drums, for example, when they first came out. They were pretty far ahead of their time, if you ask me. Roland also were always a bit ahead of Yamaha in the hardware DAW market. I think Yamaha was a bit more solid-feeling, and played it safe a few times, but either way, with Steinberg in Yamaha's wallet, I can see benefits of Cakewalk dipping into Roland's wallet. I'd personally like to see some more QA and resources put into Sonar, and that's a great way to get the money.
Conversely, if CW remains autonomous, they can continue on as they planned and not have to deal with as much of the larger Corporation's priorities. Sometimes that can be a hindrance, not that this would be the case with Roland.
I just want X2b before X3, even if it only contains fixes, patches, and maybe some added performance tweaks. X3 can go on to re-vamp the somewhat ill-received Take Lanes, and rightfully so. Take Lanes are, in a practical sense, still quite unusable to some.
X3 could have a touch environment like I've suggested before, and if they did, rocking the next Winter 'NAMM would blow away Mr. Slate.
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Re: X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 16:07:35
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I'm a bit curious... without wanting to derail the thread (then again, it's my thread, so that's my luxury  ), but, I see a lot of complaining about take lanes. I don't use them, only the automation lanes (a godsend to me), however I may have to record some vocals in the future, and therefore those take lanes would likely come into play. What kind of hurdles can I expect exactly?
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Re: X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 17:41:51
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I can't speak for everybody else, but I agree the Automation Lanes were welcome. For me, the issues with Take Lanes are: - They are easily confused in the Track View for an actual track, when there's quite a few of them. I can get lost in them because the indention used to separate them from Tracks is so minimal.
- Editing is buggy (read: filled with "cursidents"). Dragging clips between Lanes causes many weird things to happen, some that just don't make any sense for a serious professional, whether they are bugs or features. Many times, when I drag clips from one Lane to another, it drops into the wrong lane, so it requires a separate step to try to drop the clip into the wrong lane to get it in the correct lane.
- The View of the Track doesn't echo the view of a lane, and vice versa. For example, after editing, say Clip Gain on a lane, when you set the lane's view back to Clips, then collapse the Lanes under the Track, the track remains in Gain Automation View. Also, the button you use to expand Lanes is sometimes illuminated Blue, even though you've only got one Lane. Just expand and collapse the single Lane, and the button turns blue. Dunno why.
- Buttons for Lanes are exactly the same look as Tracks, which I think was an awful aesthetic choice, because the Mute in Take doesn't work the same as the Mute in the Track, but the button looks the same. During Tracking, the Mutes become unwieldy, and I found a bug there, although I haven't had time to report it.
- The Track has a lot of wasted space when Lanes are expanded, unlike Layers, where the Layers were all contained within the Track. Wasted space. Also, when the Take Lanes are collapsed, what picture you see in the Tracks isn't necessarily the Take Lane you're really wanting to hear.
Anyway, I know others have gripes, but those are my primary gripes with Lanes. I made some suggestions for CW in another post, which may be gone, like some older posts have disappeared. One major suggestion I made was to expand the Track's left-hand height along with all the Take Lanes, so the Lanes are all still essentially still contained in the Track's frame. Another was that, when you solo a Take Lane, then collapse the Take Lanes, the picture that shows up in the Track is the Take Lane you solo'd. I had some other suggestions, more in line with background color, etc. to make navigation and view easier on the eyes. i honestly don't know if anyone read them. 
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Re: X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 18:04:49
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Spencer
I'm a bit curious... without wanting to derail the thread (then again, it's my thread, so that's my luxury ), but, I see a lot of complaining about take lanes. I don't use them, only the automation lanes (a godsend to me), however I may have to record some vocals in the future, and therefore those take lanes would likely come into play. What kind of hurdles can I expect exactly?
Crazy graphical bugs. Moving takes sometimes causes the clip to move to random places. When you bounce the clips, you end up with loads of empty take lanes which you have to then manually tidy up.
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Re: X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 18:14:34
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I'd like to add to the above take lane issues:
At this point...no take lanes are used. Record a vocal line. Punch in your takes all on one track. Add V-Vocal where needed. Bounce VV to clip when done. Sometimes V-Vocal mutes the old part of the clip and places it behind the bounced VV clip...other times it puts the muted clip right in the line of fire. If you by chance DO need to mute something by pressing "K" you will still hear things playing that should not be. Once you open take lanes on the track, you see clips that are muted yet still play audio. You don't know where it's coming from because you initially did NOT use take lanes. When you press K, you assume anything muted is really muted. Once you open take lanes, you see there is a clip that claimes to be muted yet is still very much alive. Sometimes it's a VV clip that you want to keep, other times it really is a clip that you wanted muted. The whole system is just bad in my opinion. The way VV handles tracks and the way Take Lanes work in general need a do-over.
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Re: X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/05 18:58:11
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To answer to the subject: in this case I won't most probably upgrade to X3 unless CW surprises me with rewritten and well tested take lanes and more robust audio engine.
I'm getting tired with X2a. I feel multi-track editing is less fun than before but also slower. For me, development of Sonar is going to a wrong direction but I understand if the current roadmap will get more new hobbyists to buy it. Grass is greener on the other side and currently the only thing to keep me using Sonar is lack of time to learn using another new DAW efficiently. I hope from my heart X2b or X3 give me new reasons to keep Sonar as my primary DAW.
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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2013/06/06 07:09:33
I, personally, would like to see the "Touch" component as an option / add on...
so that I could opt out if I wanted to, and not waste the resources on it.
I won't be using it anytime soon, as Touch Monitors are still out there in price...
I won't be getting a tablet PC, so still don't need it....
I need a stable, usable, viable DAW...
Touch is most definitely the way of the future, but, for now, let's keep focus on
the important aspects and the current MAJORITY of the user base, and what they
NEED, not what's NEW, KEWL, and UP AND COMING.
I think it's an awesome feature, for those who want to invest in the equipment to do it,
and I think it's great that Cake want to implement it...
but it should be an OPTION, not a mandatory, installation..IJS
(and I wish they had dedicated THAT time to the features that the Pro's NEED for usability and
stability, not the new fangled GIZMO'S at this point...BOTH would have been even better)
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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/06 06:32:59
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Good lord, that does sound pretty bad with the take lanes... to think, one of the reasons I went with Sonar 4 back then, was I thought the layers system and the comping tools were so well thought out and intuitive. Guess that's one more reason why X2 absolutely can't be left in this state before moving on to the next version.
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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
2013/06/06 07:09:12
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cclarry
I, personally, would like to see the "Touch" component as an option / add on...
so that I could opt out if I wanted to, and not waste the resources on it.
I won't be using it anytime soon, as Touch Monitors are still out there in price...
I won't be getting a tablet PC, so still don't need it....
I need a stable, usable, viable DAW...
Touch is most definitely the way of the future, but, for now, let's keep focus on
the important aspects and the current MAJORITY of the user base, and what they
NEED, not what's NEW, KEWL, and UP AND COMING.
I think it's an awesome feature, for those who want to invest in the equipment to do it,
and I think it's great that Cake want to implement it...
but it should be an OPTION, not a mandatory, installation..IJS
(and I wish they had dedicated THAT time to the features that the Pro's NEED for usability and
stability, not the new fangled GIZMO'S at this point...BOTH would have been even better)
I fully agree with everything you say here Larry. As DAW software develops over time, surely we should be offered more options, not fewer. Just look at the furore over the almost complete lack of colour customisation in both incarnations of the 'X' series. And of course, the on-going disappointment a lot of us are experiencing with Take Lanes; don't get me wrong, it's no problem to me that some prefer them, but why isn't there the option to switch over to Track Layers if you prefer - I mean, the code is already written for that option. This direction first manifested itself a few years ago when SONAR Home Studio 7 was used as the proverbial guinea pig to test out reaction the newer style layout. Home Studio 4 and 6 were much loved 'little brother' versions of SONAR Studio/Producer, but users left in droves when HS7 arrived. Luckily for Cakewalk, most of those of us who jumped ship stayed in the Cakewalk family after being placated with generous upgrade enticements to move to SONAR 8. In this case, I hate being proved right, but I said at the time the Home Studio 7 'model' would eventually be rolled out with the flagship products. Again, don't get me wrong, in the main I really like the layout of X1 and X2, it's just the customisation issues and the wasted space in the GUI (e.g. I don't use the Multidock, but there is no option to remove it) that I think could be improved a lot.
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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
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I think Take Lanes are ok. Not terrible, not brilliant.
Increasingly, I think that's the problem with the way Sonar is developed. It's very broad, but not many things get very deep. It's fairly good at everything. Which makes it a really useful flexible working environment. But very few features ever seem to get worked up to a truly killer level.
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Re:X2 users: Would you buy X3 if there was no X2b?
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No, I would not buy X3.
X2a is full of bugs. It is true, I do can work with it, but I resort all the time to workarounds and I have to remember to NOT do things in the normal way, but in the workaround way. Which is very, very frustrating.
Even if it were an X2b, I will then not update to X3 unless it reaches X3b or c or whatever - given the miserable faulty way the previous releases worked immediately after release. I have had terrible experiences with Sonar 8.0 and X1.
That being said, if X3 proves to take the same course I'll turn to other developers whose platforms are way stabler. It'll cost more and I'll have to learn again, but in the end I'll be better off.
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Glyn Barnes
For me X2b and buying x3 are unrelated as i have no show stopping issues with x2. It would depend on what X3 added.
That would be my option as well. I use X2a for most projects as well as Sound Forge 10 Pro. As to notation, I got in on the offer for the full package of Finale 2012 for $99. I am still learning the software, but so far it is great for scores. I would not have the full package if I had to buy full price ($700) I have had no problems interfacing X2a with my A 800 Pro or the V Studio 100 so would upgrade to X3 assuming no issues with my hardware.
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mudgel
The way things are for me now I cant see me buying another version of Sonar beyond X2.
Fixes or not I dont see anything positive in the Cakewalk and "me" relationship.
I dont see any response to peoples concerns and legit questions.
What I do see is that a company like Presonus is so engaged with its customer base via its web services, that its patently clear it can be done and done well. Cakewalk has lost that engagement with its users that Im alarmed at the number of talented folks who have left not only this once great forum but Sonar as well. Very sad. I still enjoy participating in the forum but even that is less and less with time.
I dont have any major x2a issues but then I no longer work professionally so dont push it as hard as i uswd to.
If there isn't an X2b, I seriously doubt I will be getting X3. I have been a cakewalk user, and cakewalk beta tester in the past, since the DOS days. The current state of X2 works ok for me, but there are some work flow issues that really bug me. I have reported 4 bugs and TS opened some tickets. I would like to see them addressed. The current state of the product is not what the user can get out of it as much as what Roland is trying to get cash out of it. Twelve Tone/Cakewalk, the once user friendly company I loved to be working with, is no more. It is the Roland financing that is ruining a product I once loved and now tolerate. I find myself going back to 8.5 to get rock solid performance. I don't need all the bells and whistles as they are currently implemented in X2. I am hoping for an X2b before X3.
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