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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 09:08:39 (permalink)
Another good way to get good separation when you're layering guitar tracks is to use different chord inversions on your doubled rhythm guitars.
 
In fact, it makes sense to vary as much as you can for your doubles - different guitars/amps/cabs/settings/Fx but the key is still to play them all as tight as you possibly can

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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 10:05:12 (permalink)
I've just started rewatching the Anderton X1 Advanced vids and in the first one he shows how to use the VC64 Vintage channel to to give stereo separation on a mono track without cloning. The gist is you use the both of the VC64's EQs and set the four freq bands to specific frequencies (if anyone is interested I can rewatch and type up the exact settings). Then he turns the gain for each frequency up by 9db on one channel and down by 9db on the other. Pretty cool. Also I now understand what the heck that Vintage Channel thing is. I thought it was just some kind of compressor but now I see it's more of a board channel with all the fancy old controls... which makes more sense considering the name Vintage CHANNEL. lol
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 10:09:32 (permalink)
The sad thing about Vintage Channel is the product is from a company that has gone out of business. It is stuck at 32bit and may have no future in SONAR.
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 10:26:34 (permalink)
That is unfortunate. Still seems to work though but I have noticed it can be quirky. Maybe Ckae should try coming up with their own version of it because it is quite nice. Looks cool too.
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 10:27:31 (permalink)
They did it is called ProChannel
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 10:30:12 (permalink)
hmm... but it doesn't "split" the signal like the VC does... or can that be achieved with some fancy mucking about?
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 10:31:18 (permalink)
Either way I'm not sure I'd go about things that way but might try it just for kicks and figured it was relevant to the thread. Cheers.
 
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 10:34:25 (permalink)
Some great feedback and perspectives - thanks for the replies.  Despite reading about it a few times, I've never used the Haas approach, or other similar approaches of cloning / offsetting multiple guitars on each side of the stereo spectrum, as things tend to sound pretty full with a left guitar panned (either 75% or more) and a simialr one panned right and leads much more aligned towards the center.  As others have mentioned, I typically vary guitar sounds between L and R - e.g. a Les Paul through a Marshall Jubilee on one side and a Strat or Tele through my Marshall Vintage Modern on the right using a different mic on the cab, etc. 
 
But as others have said, it all depends on what you're going for - the 'wall of sound' approach works great for heavier styles. 
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 10:34:37 (permalink)
You could try it using 2 sends from your mono track into 2 busses.
Set the Output of your track to "None" so the only thing being processed are your 2 sends.

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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 10:37:24 (permalink)
Probably easier to just pan at that point but perhaps it would add something extra. I think I'm just looking for excuses to use that plug. It looks so freaking cool. ;-)
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 10:42:27 (permalink)
+1 for Bristol_Jonesey.  One of my standard defaults is to use two instances of RealGuitar (L and R) and tell it to play one side in std position and one in the 2nd or 3rd position.
 
If less guitar is needed, I just use one instance of RealGuitar and select its stereo sample which is very cool.

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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 10:47:07 (permalink)
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hmm... but it doesn't "split" the signal like the VC does... or can that be achieved with some fancy mucking about?


Yeah, the internal routing does make it easier but a cloned track or buses can get a similar result (Actually I would use a 3rd party EQ that allows for separate left/right processing) FWIW, I do like VC-64, just avoiding 32bit plug-ins since going 64bit.
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 10:56:55 (permalink)
I guess in that scenario you would keep both tracks center panned and apply the freq attenuation/boosts same as in the VC64 vid. hmm...
 
I'm also assuming this (well both procedures) would give some separation like Craig was talking about to create space for other instruments but still keep keep some frequencies in the middle. Like panned but not panned. If that is not the case I'm sure some fiddling around might achieve that effect. I've gotta learn how to use/interpret data from those stereo field analyzer thingies so I can see how stuff like this works out.
 
There was also a brief vid on using Channel Tools to mess with the stereo field but I didn't quite understand what he was trying to do. Little more complex than my gray matter can absorb just yet. In fact most of those vids are pretty involved with a lot of steps to get to the end result. It would be far more useful to me in text form. I know he wrote columns in SOS describing some of those methods (like the one about dealing with guitar sims) but it would be hard, if not impossible, to get a coherent list together of it all. I'll probably have to watch them all and make my crazy notes. I'm just getting tired of writing all the time instead of actually doing stuff. lol
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 11:00:47 (permalink)
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 11:02:51 (permalink)
Does the VC64 work better in a specific wrapper of is the default one better/the same?
 
(for the life of me I can't remember the names of the included wrappers... I think there is a storm coming and the pain is messing with my head. ugh...)
 
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 11:05:58 (permalink)
Ah yes... I've got that bookmarked. Just not sure if all the tuts in the vid were published in SOS or how to sort through to get at specific topics. I guess I should just keep that page open while watching and try to match things up as best I can. It's also annoying that WMP doesn't give chapters for those vids. I have no idea why MS decided to strip so much functionality out of WMP.
 
Also... I miss Craig. Haven't seen him post since he got the job at Gibson. :-/
 
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 11:06:09 (permalink)
Bitbridge comes with SONAR. JBridge is the only other one that I know about. Since I do not own JBridge I don't know. I have not used VC-64 since moving to a 64bit platform last year.
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 11:07:04 (permalink)
Huh... I thought Jbridge was included as well. I'll have to take a look. Cheers.
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 11:08:35 (permalink)
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 11:10:04 (permalink)
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Huh... I thought Jbridge was included as well. I'll have to take a look. Cheers.


No, it is an inexpensive third party solution for use in any DAW.
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 11:14:25 (permalink)
Supposedly Quicktime works as well but I haven't got around to installing it. Just seems silly to install a whole new program just for two vids and I wipe this system frequently. I'm just casually watching them at the moment to develop some ideas and familiarize myself a little more with the plug ins. If I decide to go nuts on them I'll include the start times of the chapters in my notes... and I guess include the URLs to any related articles on SOS. I was just taking the chance to slag microsoft. lol
 
Thanks though.
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 11:15:48 (permalink)
I just realized I totally jacked this thread. Sorry about that, guys.
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Re: Panning of guitars 2013/06/10 11:18:25 (permalink)
Yes, it would be silly for two videos. I have quite a few vids with chapters. I have avoided QT. VLC is a nice open source solution.
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