How to apply Reverb or EQ FXs to a midi track?

Just insert the effect on the audio track the synth is outputting it to and if you're using an instrument track, then just insert the effect on the instrument track. Its pretty much the same as inserting effects on an audio track.
 
CJ

Thanks everyone for all the fast replies!

twaddle
When you insert one of your VSTi's how are you doing it?
If you use the synth rack you should always get your synth track (audio) with the option to include a midi track that is already routed.
You can have as many audio tracks for your VSTi as your VSTi will allow.
Miroslav philharmonik gives you 16 stereo outputs which you then have to route (from within philharmonikto) to separate any of the 16 audio tracks provided. Once you've done that you can use whatever effects you have to treat each of your instruments.
 
Steve

Insert->Insert Soft Synth->(Example) Miroslav Philharmonik
 
After that, I just right click on the track space and I create a midi track linked to the Miroslav Philharmonik channel I want.
 
If I understand, the right way to do it would be to go to the synth rack, insert an instrument and when the setting window comes out I just tick the midi track thing? Will try it when I get back at home. Didn't know it would make a difference.
 
EDIT: can you point me out the directions to do it? Sorry I'm a total noob lol

The only way you would be getting midi fx and not audio fx when trying to insert an effect is because you are trying to insert them in to a midi track.

He wants to insert effects like EQ. The easiest way is to insert an audio effect on the audio track that is outputting the MIDI data or the instrument track.. A MIDI effect is something like transpose and velocity. You wont find MIDI effects for effects like EQ.
MIDI is just DATA. It has no sound.
 
CJ

I got ya Twaddle

twaddle

CJaysMusic

The only way you would be getting midi fx and not audio fx when trying to insert an effect is because you are trying to insert them in to a midi track.

He wants to insert effects like EQ. The easiest way is to insert an audio effect on the audio track that is outputting the MIDI data or the instrument track.. A MIDI effect is something like transpose and velocity. You wont find MIDI effects for effects like EQ.
MIDI is just DATA. It has no sound.
 
CJ

I know that's what he wants but he said when he tried to insert effects all he was getting was a "midi plug in option"
That can only happen on a mid track, if he were trying to insert effects on an audio track he would see audio effects, that was my point.
Surely it's impossible to load any softsynth without there being an audio track ?
So if he's seeing only "midi plug in options" he must have both midi and audio tracks but is trying to insert his effects via a midi track.
I know what he wants to do and I'm trying to get him there with minimal confusion.
 
Steve

Well, I don't know if I got confused, but I tried to do just as you described and it seems we're back at the very beginning. Here's what I ticked when I inserted the VST:
 
Then, here's the result. I get a folder and the VST instrument paired with a Midi Track (in this case I added two more). But still, I can't insert any EQ FX and stuff. Screenshot: It's basically the same thing for all three tracks. When I read the posts above, I could tell that CJ was right on my problem. Is there something I missed? There must be something I don't get x)
 
EDIT: In the first pic I forgot to insert a Mother Audio Track (the synth) but when I do so, I can only link an FX to the "Mother track". So the FX is set to all the Midi tracks linked to it, which is not what I want.
 
BTW, thank you to both of you for your time. You are very helpful!

scook
In your first picture you will notice you did not select an audio track to go with the MIDI track. In addition to the MIDI source and folder options, you need to select one of the audio options when inserting a synth. The audio track(s) will host your effects.

Oh my bad, now I did so but as mentioned in my "EDIT" post, I can only apply the FXs to the "Mother Track" (I assume it's the audio track, isn't it?). So tehy will be set to all the instruments, which is not what I want. I want an FX for each specific instrument, which are linked to Midi tracks. Sorry for my bad English by the way.

Well after browsing google for many hours, I think there is no way to achieve such a thing in Sonar x2. Everyone just bounce the midi track to an audio tack. Such a shame for Cakewalk because I come from FL Studio (yes hahaha) and back there I could easily link an instrument's channel to a Mixer's track (the equivalent of a bus in Sonar)...

John
You have it all wrong Alpha.  Audio FX is meant for audio. You can add FX to the output of any synth because its audio. MIDI is data. That is its a protocol with instruction for note on and note off. There is nothing to add audio FX to. 
 
With a GM synth you can adjust reverb and chorus but its done to the audio not the MIDI. For example my Sound Canvas is a GM and GS sound module. With the GM Studioware Panel that comes with Sonar X2 one can send MIDI to the SC and manipulate reverb and chorus. But this is a special case that works with GM sound modules only.
 
FL Studio works the same way in that its applying FX to the audio not the MIDI. 
 
Nor do you need to bounce the audio. Sonar is a nondestructive DAW and will apply the FX in real time. The only reason to bounce is to make the FX permanent.  

Well I should have used the right words.
 
Here's the big picture: I have a multi-channel VSTi (Edirol Orchestral, for example). There are many instruments (channels) in the VST, which can be linked to a midi track in order to use them. Problem is: when comes the part that I want to add an FX (EQ) to one of these instruments, I just can't because I can't apply an FX to a midi channel. The only option would be to apply it to the synth track, but the FX would be applied to ALL the other instruments (channels) within the synth. However, I only want the FX to be applied to a specific instrument, which is what I'm searching for.

I imagine it works just like TTS-1. There is a system button that has an option button or tab that allows assignment of the instrument tracks to different audio outs. In this post above was the discussion of how to setup the plug-in for multiple audio tracks. So there are two steps:
insert the plug-in with multiple audio outs and then
open the plug-in to assign the instruments in the plug-in to the outputs.

Edirol orchestral has 4 outputs and looks almost identical in it's configuration page to TTS-1 as you can see
here Edirol Orchstral
 
I think Alpha said he had miroslav philarmonik which is much better option to edirol and like kontakt it gives you
a choice of either 16 stereo or 32 mono outputs so you have much scope should you need it.
 
As has been stated by all of us here alpha, you need to be able to differentiate between midi and audio tracks, what they look like and how they are used. Audio effects can not be used in a midi track, midi is nothing more than data and whilst there is a small collection on midi plug ins they are not truly effects.Orchestral and philarmonik both have included
effects but they are applied to the audio signal that is being generated and then output into sonar X2.
 
Midi tracks have a hardware style 5 pin midi plug in (or din plug) and audio tracks have a wave but, audio tracks that are assigned to a soft synth will have an icon with both and din plug and a keyboard picture to indicate their status.
 
I think as a self confessed new comer you should spend as much time as you can watching the many sonar tutorials that can be found on youtube and here at the Sonar University.
 
Youtube has some great tutorials from members of this very forum such as chuckebaby & fastbikerboy.
 
Steve
 
 
 

If the input echo is on you should hear audio. You really need to spend some time with the tutorials at linked at the top of this page and the videos at Cake TV especially the Get Started section

As said those tracks are your audio outputs, to hear anything you need to direct a MIDI track to that ouput and put the input echo on ( pink). Your getting very close. 

I have philarmonik Alpha so if you like I could make you a template with an assortment of tracks routed for you.
When you select out puts to stereo (or mono) in the, "load syth options" you then have to do thenext stage of your routing from within
your instrument (in this case philarmonik)
It's the same within all synths. You can test it out by loading session drummer 3 (using the, "all synth outputs to stereo) and loading up a kit,
now go to the mixer page and rout the kick, snare, hats tom and so on to tracks 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and so on.
If you then go to the console view and click on the snare in session drummer you will see the audio signal being routed to the assigned tracks in sonars console.
This is how it is with philarmonik and pretty much all syths that offer multi outputs.
 
I get round to a template sometime toward the end of the week if you feel the need.
 
Steve

This would be very nice, just to see the thing from someone else's perspective. Take your time and when you're ready, just send me a PM.


 
Hey Alpha
Sorry for the delay but have kind of half made a template so if you haven't already worked it out you can have a look at mine.
It's only five tracks that I've assigned and I've left it to you to add effects from sonar if you wish.
I just used the ones within philharmonik.
 
You should be able to download it from here
 
http://www.mediafire.com/...ARMONIK_TEMPLATE_2.cwt