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Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
It was a necessary step to evolve the franchise but EVERY manufacture has a miss...period.
Cakewalk/Roland is a smart and forward thinking company that has the future in mind and the fastest way to overcome a dog release is to create a campaign that will eradicate the past and refocus the customer base on a new and more stable release. This is simple business 101 and expecting them to act any other way to simply satisfy personal desires is just pointless.
Vista HAD great potential and after many patches, become a reasonably stable and useable OS but by then, it was too late. In this "2 minute attention span' business climate, you simply cant afford to release a 'miss'...ever. Your dead as a company if you dwell on that.
Cakewalk will release X3 because the competition demands it and just like Win7, we will buy it because our buyers attention span will forget about X2a immediately and move on like the rest of the world always does. And whats worse, WE created this problem in the first place by demanding powerful, feature rich software that's ridiculously cheap to feed our never ending demand for something new. And we want it fast...musch to fast to every rid the app of every bug. We created this ADHD software environment...us.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 17:24:48
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It is so refreshing to see some one post something so original and well thought out. NOT!
You're right in implying that Vista was the precursor to Windows 8. You are wrong in every other point.
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mattplaysguitar
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 18:03:29
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John
You're right in implying that Vista was the precursor to Windows 8.
Correction - You're right in implying that Vista was the precursor to Windows 7 ;)
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 18:35:04
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I concede. But I am on Windows 8 and I came from Vista. LOL
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 18:57:18
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☄ Helpfulby David A. Batson 2013/07/21 22:09:04
To the original poster - X2a has been a wonderful release for lots of folks. If your experience has been different and you have not posted your issues to either tech support or to the forum (73 posts for you thus far), then you are suffering completely due to your own lack of follow through on your issues.
If, on the other hand, you are basing your rather grandiose conclusion and comparison to Vista on other poster's comments, then you are equally off-base. There are quite a few threads that started out thinking that Sonar was a giant mess, and once enough detail and cooperative diagnostics were performed, issues with things OUTSIDE of Sonar were found to have been the culprits, AND most of those folks have either had the issues resolved, OR they at least knew where the problems were coming from, and had some decisions to make on one of usually multiple options available that WOULD take care of the issues.
Even for the bugs that DO exist in Sonar, and yes they do, most are not show stoppers, and most have workarounds.
I would also point out that X2a fixed OVER 250 bugs, on top of some feature enhancements and such.
There are threads that keep popping up from a relatively small number of folks who have decided that Sonar is beyond repair, and/or that Cakewalk has abandoned their users, and/or every other DAW does a much better job at everything, and/or etc.
EVERY forum I have ever seen has some population of sour grapes. I am NOT talking about those who have legitimate issues that are in fact bugs - a bug is a bug, and if it is interfering sufficiently with one's workflow, then it is a real problem. I am talking about a set of folks who many times just go through life thinking everyone has peed on their corn flakes.
IF you are having issues, why not post them? There are plenty of folks here in the forum who have had great success in getting past issues, simply by asking for assistance of the forum folks, who do a very good job of helping folks that actually seek assistance, although they (myself included) tend to ignore posts that are just whining without substance.
The ball is squarely in your court - you can:
1. Post detail sufficient for folks to help you solve issues you are having with X2a
2. Contact tech support, if you would rather. (I would suggest calling, rather than email).
3. Continue to post threads like this one, and alienate the forum folks who would have otherwise have helped you.
4. Not post threads with detail so that forum folks can help, AND not call tech support, AND therefore get nothing helpful whatsoever out of life with Sonar.
I WILL, quite honestly and sincerely, be available to assist you, to the best of my ability, IF you post each issue you are having in a separate thread, with as much relevant detail as you can provide. Please do not think my comments above mean that I will not do my best to help you. I can comfortably also suggest that others here in the forum will also provide assistance. We have a pretty good collective track record of doing just that - even for folks who start out with angry initial posts.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 20:09:01
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No offence - it is your opinion after all - but what an absurd analogy!
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 20:54:06
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@joden, did you mean that to apply to me or the original poster? :)
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 20:56:42
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OOPS  Sorry Bob - I forgot to quote the OP!! Dennis Keysman
It was a necessary step to evolve the franchise but EVERY manufacture has a miss...period.
Cakewalk/Roland is a smart and forward thinking company that has the future in mind and the fastest way to overcome a dog release is to create a campaign that will eradicate the past and refocus the customer base on a new and more stable release. This is simple business 101 and expecting them to act any other way to simply satisfy personal desires is just pointless.
Vista HAD great potential and after many patches, become a reasonably stable and useable OS but by then, it was too late. In this "2 minute attention span' business climate, you simply cant afford to release a 'miss'...ever. Your dead as a company if you dwell on that.
Cakewalk will release X3 because the competition demands it and just like Win7, we will buy it because our buyers attention span will forget about X2a immediately and move on like the rest of the world always does. And whats worse, WE created this problem in the first place by demanding powerful, feature rich software that's ridiculously cheap to feed our never ending demand for something new. And we want it fast...musch to fast to every rid the app of every bug. We created this ADHD software environment...us.
..gotta run...I think I just got another free virtual margarita invite!!
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 21:04:28
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Thank God! I was secretly hoping you didn't mean me.
WHEW! :)
(to the original poster - bummer)
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 21:10:10
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Wrong. Vista was crap. X2 was Windows 7 compared to Vista. X2A is a fine product.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 21:14:34
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X2 is definitely better than X1 started out. That release was a disaster for me.
When and if X3 comes out, I hope that it allows for the disabling of some of the intended workflow improvements that seem to slow me down. Skylight and the Docker for example. I hope the Console View is reworked as well.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 21:28:19
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@daveny5 - Years back, I had a friend that let me play his Takamine acoustic guitar once in a while. I liked it a lot better than the Ovation. (I am a keyboard player that learned enough guitar to be able to communicate what I was looking for them to play).
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 22:11:29
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daveny5
Wrong. Vista was crap. X2 was Windows 7 compared to Vista. X2A is a fine product.
No that is not accurate. I found it to a much better OS then XP. So did others. What was wrong was many tried to run it on an XP machine and not on a machine meant for Vista. If your experience differs it is due to not having the right hardware to run it. Its likely you never ran Vista on good hardware and thus are only repeating what a few have said. I doubt you did any real research on the subject but if did I am open to any evidence you can provide. On the other hand if this is what you believe you may find that its time to reconsider.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 22:13:14
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John
daveny5
Wrong. Vista was crap. X2 was Windows 7 compared to Vista. X2A is a fine product.
No that is not accurate. I found it to a much better OS then XP. So did others. What was wrong was many tried to run it on an XP machine and not on a machine meant for Vista.
If your experience differs it is due to not having the right hardware to run it. Its likely you never ran Vista on good hardware and thus are only repeating what a few have said. I doubt you did any real research on the subject but if did I am open to any evidence you can provide. On the other hand if this is what you believe you may find that its time to reconsider.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/21 22:16:39
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I'm still running Vista .....and X2a........no issues. Nothing that stops me from creating some of the best songs I have ever recorded. I'm happy to be living in these times when I can record this well out of a small studio in my home, for relatively small dollars.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 00:34:37
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I believe theres a small handful of people on this forum that think when the thread count on negative x2 posts is getting low they must fill up the meter.
this appears to be one of those threads.
the op clearly has no interest in talking about reason, its been 7 hours and and he leaves his thread.
not for nothing but this guy is a constant complainer.
sorry keysman, im not trying to personally single you out here but you are always unhappy about something.
like your last thread you created... "A Plea to Roland"
I can understand if your unhappy but you never even state your problems nor ask for suggestions.
you might find the positive things on this forum may help suppress the negative things your going through right now trying to be happy using one of the best software appz on the market.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 04:09:59
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chuckebaby
I believe theres a small handful of people on this forum that think when the thread count on negative x2 posts is getting low they must fill up the meter.
this appears to be one of those threads.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 04:22:59
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If X2 is Vista, what does that make X1? Windows ME?
When X2 first came out the acclaim was almost unanimous around here, at least when you remember to the release of X1...
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 08:59:02
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pppffft.
X1 was windows 2000....
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 09:02:48
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X2a works absolutely fine for me.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 09:16:27
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f you like to compare X2 to vista, which is absolutely not appropriate at all imo,
then X1 is like windows me
and the quality of Sonar 8.5 has never been reached by microsoft,
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 09:29:09
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Overall I think X2 is a fantastic product, though not flawless. Didn't use Vista so I can't comment there. What I can comment on is the comparision of an application to an OS is silly at best and the <insert insulting adjective here> at worst.
Posts like the OPs seem to run in cycles and typically aren't a call for assistance they're merely a call for attention, quite similar to what my children used to pull before they became adults and started solving their own problems - often with assistance from others.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 09:39:21
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mattplaysguitar
John
You're right in implying that Vista was the precursor to Windows 8.
Correction - You're right in implying that Vista was the precursor to Windows 7
;)
I think he had it right in the first place. Every other Microsoft OS is a complete pain in the butt. I just got a notebook with Windows 8. I cannot stand the thing and it hasn't gotten any better after a month. Everything else in the house is running Windows 7 or XP, and they work great and make perfect sense. I worked many years for a large computer manufacturer (mainframe class systems). The design/test cycle was about 4 years, but the marketing people believed they needed 2-year product cycles. So we had two parallel teams. One team always produced winners. The other team always produced dogs. I bet the same thing is happening at Microsoft. How else can anybody account for Windows ME, Vista, and Windows 8?
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 10:21:45
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John
daveny5
Wrong. Vista was crap. X2 was Windows 7 compared to Vista. X2A is a fine product.
No that is not accurate. I found it to a much better OS then XP. So did others. What was wrong was many tried to run it on an XP machine and not on a machine meant for Vista.
If your experience differs it is due to not having the right hardware to run it. Its likely you never ran Vista on good hardware and thus are only repeating what a few have said. I doubt you did any real research on the subject but if did I am open to any evidence you can provide. On the other hand if this is what you believe you may find that its time to reconsider.
I agree John. While I find Windows 8 to be an overall better OS for X2. Vista64 with all the latest patches worked very well for me. Matter of fact, with the delta 1010 drivers, it actually worked better than Win8 given the fact that m-audio only had Win7 to sub for the Win 8 drivers with the delta 1010. Both worked, but Vista soared compared to Win8 on that one particular aspect. I recently changed interfaces and no longer face that issue. Vista64 also handled X2 just fine. I also had great performance with X1a. Apparently it's cool to bash Vista and X1a and not let the facts get in the way. My opinion is the OP had a big cup of coffee and decided to type something.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 10:33:10
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"Apparently it's cool to bash Vista and X1a and not let the facts get in the way."
Absolutely accurate Musicroom.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 10:41:02
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When initially released, Vista wasn't the best of audio platforms.
After patches (especially after SP1)... Vista was a fine platform for audio.
Win7 was essentially Vista 2.0... and it was a solid audio platform from the moment it was released.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 11:16:16
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robert_e_bone
Thank God! I was secretly hoping you didn't mean me.
WHEW! :)
(to the original poster - bummer)
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 11:34:02
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Jim Roseberry
When initially released, Vista wasn't the best of audio platforms.
After patches (especially after SP1)... Vista was a fine platform for audio.
Win7 was essentially Vista 2.0... and it was a solid audio platform from the moment it was released.
Vista had some issues with GUI performance and with delayed functions that run at kernel priority - which were jamming up the real-time audio performance. Yeah, they were good good about fixing that. As for Windows 7, well, it's the same subsystem introduced in Vista. I really think most folks had problem getting drivers for the new WDM/KS system early on, and the new subsystem caused a bit of issue for existing (at the time ASIO drivers - but that's history now.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 11:34:29
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Having problems with the product indicates a user is doing something that other users who don't have the issue aren't doing. For example, if you don't edit in Take lanes trying to comp a vocal, you likely won't see the bugs there that I have. And even if you do, you STILL may not see the issues I do there. Is the user doing the wrong thing? Perhaps, but what if not? The OP should provide examples, surely.
But if someone sees a ghost in the machine, I don't want to be too quickly to rule that out. I see them all the time, but I'm just hoping X2b or X3 will fix them. After all, Cakewalk, I assume, has all the best ghost-hunter tools, right? I'm more frightened of software ghosts these days than normal ghosts.
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Re: Lets face it..X2a was Cakewalk's Vista
2013/07/22 12:26:06
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John
I found it to a much better OS then XP. So did others.
I was one of those others. I never had any real issues with Vista and in many ways it was beter than XP for me. ME was not up to much though.
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