Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2)

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July 29, 13 0:51 PM (permalink)

Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2)

I want to work in a big project with only a handful of its current FX or prochannels enabled, without haven't to manually DISable everything else, only to re-enable it later.
At low latency, the track doesn't even play back.  I'm in a state where I want to record new parts and monitor it through a plugin.
 
The lower the latency in ASIO, the more FX hit the CPU.  When you have enough FX to get you into an unstable playback/record state, you could notch up the latency.  This may be ok if you're mixing, but to record a live instrument while monitoring through its effects, I need to stay at low latency.
 
You can't click "FX" to disable them all, because you need the FX enabled that you're playing through (Guitar Rig, etc).  I've found a way around this by bringing up a standalone version of Guitar rig or the effect I need.. but I also need a few pro channels and FX enabled in addition.  For example, so the drums have some of the punch and shaping I want to hear while recording bass or guitar.
 
I've looked at what causes the most CPU usage and in this particular project and it appears to be pro-channel.  The project is big and I have a lot of tracks using it, so temporarily disabling pro channel on them is a little annoying..  not all tracks use prochannel and I'm bound to forget to re-enable something later or activate a prochannel after the recording that was never activated.  I thought I'd buy enough CPU cycles by freezing all of my synths.  nnnNope. 
 
The conclusion I'm coming to is that I'll simply need to manually keep record of all the effects I want to disable temporarily when I'm recording new parts.  That would be easier than bouncing a temporary submix or some other silliness. Just curious if anyone else has tricks for this.  Conclusion #2 will of course be to get a higher powered machine to sweep this issue under the rug. 
 
I get myself into this situation because I like to mix and tweak a song before I'm done with all of the tracking.
 
It would be nice if Sonar lets you disable all FX, then selectively solo some of them temporarily.  Anyhow, thanks for reading and I welcome your thoughts.
 
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    phrygiann
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 1:19 AM (permalink)
    Can you try letter "e"

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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 1:38 AM (permalink)
    Hi Phrygiann.  I don't want to disable all FX. I want to selectively enable only a few with the rest disabled.
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 3:53 AM (permalink)
    How about disable all and select few tracks you want enable. Or you can create groups..

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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 6:05 AM (permalink)
    +1 on disabling all with a quick hitting of 'E', then enabling the ones you want to have on.
     
    I also am wondering if you are ending up with a bunch of tracks using essentially duplicate effects, such as reverb or delay.  If so, look into sends and effects busses, to cut down on memory and having to manually repeat changes to the same effects for multiple tracks.
     
    And, you have provided no information on your computer's specifications, and I am wondering if your system has enough horsepower.
     
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 8:04 AM (permalink)
    From the console view, select all the tracks and control right click the pro channel power button and add to group. Now, click on one you click on all. Control click any in the group to invert the setting for that track. ,
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    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 11:56 AM (permalink)
    Thanks gswitz!  I will give that a go.  Phrygiann, it indeed sounds like groups is what I need to work with.  
    I don't suppose one could use this to toggle/invert entire effect bins as well.. that would be sweet.
     
    Robert, I don't believe that one can enable any effects after pressing "E" (disabling fx) until they enable all effects again.  That would be an awesome feature and would resolve things nicely... sort of a "solo" feature for effects. 
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 12:06 AM (permalink)
    If you use FX bins in pro channel, you can enable and disable any combination of things with a single click if everything is either on or off. Since you can have multiple FX bin modules, you can toggle any combination of FX .

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 12:25 AM (permalink)
    Cool.  Got it.  I'm on it.  I should be more familiar with groups having used this software since the 90's when there weren't even any effects bins! (and probably no groups either).  Thanks!
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 12:28 AM (permalink)
    And yes..  this is a great reason to move effects bins over to prochannel!  Two places for effects (and worrying about pre/post arrangement) is confusing anyway.
     
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 1:21 PM (permalink)
     
    Probably not that helpful for what you're trying to achieve, but you can disable/enable all your Track FX Bins and Bus FX Bins independently of each other. Just right click in any FX Bin in either category and select Bypass Bins Of This Type.

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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 1:23 PM (permalink)
    Nice Steve. I didn't realize that.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 1:25 PM (permalink)
    I shall keep that in mind, though, Steve.  I do recall this now.  Might be useful in the interim.  Thanks!
     
     
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 4:24 PM (permalink)
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    Thanks gswitz!  I will give that a go.  Phrygiann, it indeed sounds like groups is what I need to work with.  
    I don't suppose one could use this to toggle/invert entire effect bins as well.. that would be sweet.
     
    Robert, I don't believe that one can enable any effects after pressing "E" (disabling fx) until they enable all effects again.  That would be an awesome feature and would resolve things nicely... sort of a "solo" feature for effects. 




    Sorry for any misinformation.  I never really need to do the bypass thing, and was winging it - I could have made that part clear in my post and regrettably did not.  I was meaning to agree with the concept from the post or two above mine, and did not realize you could not actually do things that way.
     
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 29, 13 4:30 PM (permalink)
    No worries, thanks for the reply!  I've enjoyed the dialogue and should visit here more often.
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 30, 13 11:20 AM (permalink)
    Hi, 
    another idea is to bounce the whole  mix (incl. the fx)and then importing into  a new project just for recording.
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 30, 13 5:14 PM (permalink)
    My method is similar to above except I keep it within the project. Just bounce the current mix to a new track called " Tracking Mix" and then just solo this track and the one I am recording on, globally bypass all the mix fx. When finished tracking, mute the "Tracking Mix" and re-enable all fx and you're done.
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 30, 13 11:37 PM (permalink)
    Yeah, Paulo.  That would be an option.  I still want to monitor through a plugin when I track, though.  I've had some luck with bringing up a standalone plugin rack in parallel and tracking through that.  Seems unnecessary, though.  Luckily, I think I'm pretty well sorted now with all of the tips from this thread.
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 31, 13 11:39 AM (permalink)
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    Yeah, Paulo.  That would be an option.  I still want to monitor through a plugin when I track, though.  I've had some luck with bringing up a standalone plugin rack in parallel and tracking through that.  Seems unnecessary, though.  Luckily, I think I'm pretty well sorted now with all of the tips from this thread.


    You can still have plug-ins on the recording track, just enable the plugs for that track/bus only. Anyway, as you say, you have several ways of doing it now, so you can use each one as it works best for you / the project.
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    Re: Anyone have any tricks for easily disabling all FX *except* for a few key ones? (X2) July 31, 13 12:47 AM (permalink)
    paulo
    My method is similar to above except I keep it within the project. Just bounce the current mix to a new track called " Tracking Mix" and then just solo this track and the one I am recording on, globally bypass all the mix fx. When finished tracking, mute the "Tracking Mix" and re-enable all fx and you're done.


    Yeah, if you're CPU is hitting the limit, this is exactly how I'd proceed.
    Keeps things simple/integrated... and you'll hear the "monitor mix" exactly as it was...

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