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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/20 04:41:13
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Someone tell the Gaye family to use the Chewbacca Defense...
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
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I just listened to the song of the summer. I'm thinking people are still going to be buying and enjoying Marvin Gaye albums for a long, long time. It's shame that the estate made suggestions about creating a conflict. It's a shame the new guys didn't offer a sampling fee for the opening motif. Maybe the publicity will sell a few more records for everyone. I'm listening to the original Detroit mixes of What's Going On as a special treat. It's shameful that young listeners are offered soul less music for consumption when there is so much soulful music already in the can. Save the children. Play some Marvin Gaye for them today. best regards, mike
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Hi, I think that we're going to see more and more of this, as a way for the "music business" to intimidate new musicians and steal the gold that they feel they should be getting. I'm all for everyone's cup of java and sugar and all that ... but somewhere along the way, there is some serious lack of talent, that is simply re-hasing the same thing over and over again, and the things that you liked, and appreciated, WILL filter in many of the things you do, and eventually you will lose because of it. This is why it is so important to get tuned in, and stop doing what everyone else is doing ... you have to look inside and develop/touch your inner music, and no one ... NO ONE ... will ever confuse you with anyone else. If you need a lesson, you really need to go spend some time listening to Peter Hammill's 30 solo albums, or Roy Harper's 25 solo albums! You can not say, that there is no creativity and that nothing new can be done! But you continue to do what has been done before ... I wanna do metal ... I wanna do bah bah ... I wanna do blues ... and in the end, all you are saying is ... I don't have the ability or talent to say what I want to say and do! And you know what? ... you do! But you don't believe in it!
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/20 09:25:10
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mike_mccue ... It's shameful that young listeners are offered soul less music for consumption when there is so much soulful music already in the can. Save the children. Play some Marvin Gaye for them today. ... If you notice my tagline, and most of my comments, my biggest concern is ... "knowing" ... the "truth". And this is what you have to teach your children --- and well -- (sorry, couldn't help it!), the difference between the right and the wrong ... not that it is right or wrong, but one is original and the other is the copy. There are times when you gonna hit the proverbial brick wall ... if you play Dylan, and then Jimi, you gonna love this version, but you can not say that Jimi's version has the sardonic feel that the original does, and that goes with Dylan, and the words, more than anything else. Truth, has a special color and feel ... that any copy, or "sample" does not have, and does not show ... and if the children are following the hollow and shallow "gods" ... I would venture to say that the parents are the issue more than anything else ... but then, you have to wonder ... didn't we have the same issue that created Woodstock and the like? ... YEP ... we did ... but one thing that you can do as a parent, is stand aside ... and know the truth ... and make sure that you explain to the kids, what is the truth and what is the copy ... even though one is trying to be hip and just sell ... and take advantage of the kid's dollars. This is your chance to shine ... get the kids to "know" the difference! This was an issue for me, during the days of Woodstock, when I knew that some of the dope and sex thing was a fantasy, that most wanted to get some of, instead of it being a meaningful experience for you, I or anyone else ... and that is a part of the whole generation that became very screwed up and lost in the dope of the days, and the plastic signs later to remember the good trip they had one time! It might be too many words, but you have to do your best to help the kids see ... "the truth" ... behind it, so you can help them see their own truth. Remind them of one thing, though ... there is only one truth ... the rest is all around and outside ... and you have to "know" which one is true, and learn how to define it ... does your kid know that? If he/she does, don't worry ... be happy, so to speak!
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/20 09:29:24
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I feel lucky. I live in a small town that embraces the idea of passing along the concept of culture to it's youth. I have become very accustomed to learning from the younger generation of artists because, on the whole, we enjoy a culture that encourages our youth to leave us behind as they blossom and evolve. best regards, mike
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/20 09:42:44
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Hi, In reading the article, again, there is a side of it, that is right ... and a side of it, that is wrong. It is TRUE that a "sound" can not be copyrighted. Only the note sequence on a staff and the poem that goes with it. And this is an issue, for a lot of music history ... and specially, for example, something called "progressive music" ... because it is "stuck" on one sound and preference, and has lost its ability to continue on to something else, because folks are stuck in the 3 or 4 bands that did it, and no one else can do anything similar or slightly different that is just as experimental as anything else ... so ELP is "progressive" and Amon Duul 2 is not, or Pink Floyd is progressive and Guru Guru is not! In the end, what folks are getting stuck on, is the memory of the past! ... and afraid of the future and it's new presentation ... and RT has a right to stand up to that. Will the suit make it? ... I think not. It might get mixed reviews in England, but it will get thrown out in America, and the crap will continue. In the end, Robin is not totally wrong, and it speaks volumes for an industry that thinks that the only blues/jazz standard there is is Blue Note, and you have to pay for it, and if someone else comes around, he's copying someone else, and can not be himself/herself at all! It's the same instrument, and it often sounds the same ... but does it really play the same? I, personally, find RT ... the sound of money, when compared to Marvin's version which, to me, is the sound of music ... and you just have to explain that to your kids ... so they learn to know the difference. In the end, RT is going to hurt himself and be ignored in the music business ... look ... you're hurting the very hand that feeds you ... but in this case the folks that own Marvin's stuff also need a slap ... for being greeedy and having screwed up the whole thing! Should have just taken the rights for the use of it ... and close the book ... nooooo ... . they started screaming bloody murder! What's goin on? ... fits so well now!
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/20 10:43:20
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My first reaction was WhoTF is Robin Thicke, and what a greedy ashole he must be! Come to find out he's really not the villain in this story. Rather, it's Marvin Gaye's descendants who feel they have a right to a perpetual income from their forebear's labors and have been demanding payment. The purpose of RT's suit is to get a judge to declare that the two songs are not the same, thereby preempting any potential legal action by the Gaye family. I downloaded the show and listened to snippits of the songs in question. There's no doubt that RT owes a debt of gratitude to Marvin Gaye - along with Smokey Robinson, Jackie Wilson, Berry Gordy, James Jamerson and the rest of the Funk Brothers. Don't we all?
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/20 13:45:50
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Maybe they just need some contextual healing?
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/20 13:52:00
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2013/08/20 14:33:09
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craigb ...contextual healing?
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/20 14:34:55
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never heard of robin thicke before this.. not impressed at all. seems to be looking for some (not so free) press
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/20 16:52:00
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This just in: Lars Ulrich has announced that Metallica is suing the copyright holders of the Barney Theme as a preventative measure claiming that there is no copyright infringment due to any perceived similarity to "Enter Sandman". Similar suits are being considered by Metallica against the copyright holders of "Big Red Car" by the Wiggles and the Dora the Explorer Theme. When questioned, Lars admitted that the band listened to these three songs frequently during the recording of the Black album.
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/20 17:06:53
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This just in: The writer and producer of "Lars and The Real Girl" are not suing Lars Ulrich, Metallica or any Real Girls (who may or may not have gone wild) as they just realized that almost no one saw the movie or will care.
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/20 17:36:51
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2013/08/20 17:37:56
Rain Someone tell the Gaye family to use the Chewbacca Defense...
Perhaps we can go door to door selling candy bars to help out?
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/20 19:30:07
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bitflipper My first reaction was WhoTF is Robin Thicke, and what a greedy ashole he must be! Come to find out he's really not the villain in this story. Rather, it's Marvin Gaye's descendants who feel they have a right to a perpetual income from their forebear's labors and have been demanding payment. The purpose of RT's suit is to get a judge to declare that the two songs are not the same, thereby preempting any potential legal action by the Gaye family. I downloaded the show and listened to snippits of the songs in question. There's no doubt that RT owes a debt of gratitude to Marvin Gaye - along with Smokey Robinson, Jackie Wilson, Berry Gordy, James Jamerson and the rest of the Funk Brothers. Don't we all?
There is probably more to this strategy than meets the eye, and it probably has to do with the exorbitant cost of legal action. The Gaye heirs begin by warning Thicke that he has infringed their intellectual property. It does not cost much money to write a letter, and if Thicke offers a reasonably inexpensive settlement, they can sign off on what may or may not be provable true infringement and get some real money for a small investment. But if Gaye family decide to go to court, it may well cost them more than they can afford, or at least more than they can justify investing on an uncertain outcome. The legal costs of just the discovery process can break most people, and unless the case is a slam dunk, finding an attorney to take the case (let alone front expert witness fees etc.) on a contingency fee is a long shot. But if you have an active career, a hot selling hit and a record company legal department behind you, legal costs may not matter all that much. Once you have filed in court, the other party has to come up with some real money in order to keep from being run over. Presumably you cannot add claims of malicious prosecution or abuse of process against the other party if you initiate the suit, but there may be some theory under which you can make their initial claim to rights actionable. In any case, you have forced them to spend more than they can afford, and can offer to let them to withdraw, settle on your terms, or forfeit; in effect either proving or forcing them to admit that your work is original. The public relations value of that outcome is probably worth the risk and the money, and it will go a long way toward making your fan base see the work as a tribute rather than a rip-off. In theory legal cases are decided on the merits, but, in reality, it is very often the guy with the most money going into the fight who comes out ahead. So the story does not really have a hero. Is the bad guy the family who are trying to extort payment via frivolous threats of legal action, or the legal colossus that can grind them under foot without breaking a sweat? In this case there may well be a more even match, but if it were an unknown composer trying to assert this claim, the advantage is clearly not with him. An aggressive legal stance on the part of the well-heeled alleged infringer may well be the wave of the future.
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/20 20:00:24
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Sorta like Apple and Samsung...... I think that's where the legal ploy comes from...
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/21 05:59:39
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2013/08/21 10:43:41
Next apples will be suing oranges cauz they're a fruit.
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/21 09:03:08
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Hi, In the end, this is going to hurt the music business! And the ones that suffer the most, are always the ones that are not gaining anything, and in the end, will gain even less! I'm sorry ... if I were a judge, I would tell them both ... if you were my sons, you would both get a spanking for being stupid, selfish and sick! AND, I'm not into that kind of stuff! All in all, this is bad. Pretty soon, you can't use a Hammond Organ anymore, because your song sounds like someone else's! And everyone has to go pay Bo Diddley and Chuck Berry because they still sound like them with effects!
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/21 09:05:54
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This just in: Capitalizing on the latest trend, Legal Systems in various countries are now suing themselves for copyright infringement. The complaints state that current legal arguments imitate the style and form of previous arguments. In addition, these arguments blatantly reuse previous arguments. Physicists were caught by surprise. Verner Von Veldmud, a noted physicist, said, "We've been looking for this breakthrough for centuries. We never thought that perpetual motion would be discovered by lawyers! You know, instead of colliding sub-atomic particles at CERN, perhaps we should have smashed lawyers!" There was an awkward silence as a group of lab coat wearing scientists gave each other meaningful looks. Suddenly, they ran back inside their bunker. We'll continue to follow this story as it develops.
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/21 09:17:06
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Hi, CAREFUL UB! Pretty soon we're going to be sued for copy'ing Bapu! Or Emulating Bapu ... might be the better expression! Or Mooch'ing Bapu? I can't bapu anything, anymore!
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/21 09:51:27
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Every now and then even the best artists produce a pile of bollox, even I in the past have penned more than 1 "masterpiece" that luckily never saw the light of day. In fact, most successful artists will have a virtual cutting room floor of all the ideas that should never have been dragged kicking and screaming into our universe. And these piles of dross will continue to be created and discarded by the rich and famous. Thus I intend filing a suit against a certain Mr. P. McCartney. ref: one of the many failures I have written in the past V's 'Un-specified, as yet to be written and discarded idea' by the said Mr. McCartney. He's rich, he writes all the time, there is a chance (however small) that one of his worst ideas may sound something similar (to a blind horse) to one of my past failures. Just PAY UP NOW Mr. McCartney. Stop living off the backs of all us failed musicians and GIVE ME THE MONEY. You know it's best for both of us.
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/21 10:07:12
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bitflipper My first reaction was WhoTF is Robin Thicke, and what a greedy ashole he must be! Come to find out he's really not the villain in this story. Rather, it's Marvin Gaye's descendants who feel they have a right to a perpetual income from their forebear's labors and have been demanding payment. The purpose of RT's suit is to get a judge to declare that the two songs are not the same, thereby preempting any potential legal action by the Gaye family. I downloaded the show and listened to snippits of the songs in question. There's no doubt that RT owes a debt of gratitude to Marvin Gaye - along with Smokey Robinson, Jackie Wilson, Berry Gordy, James Jamerson and the rest of the Funk Brothers. Don't we all?
Thanks, that was what I was thinking. Also, has everyone forgotted Led Zeppelin... they flat out stole a lot of stuff and I don't remember any lawsuits or even any bad publicity. I am pretty sure that most music has been written already, especially in the traditional blues, jazz, soul, RnR forms... I mean how many different ways can you play three chords? People need to lighten up. If the words are different and the music isn't sampled, it is a different song. I'm not saying that anyone should get away with producing a song named Today to the tune of Yesterday... there are the mega hits and then all the album tracks and I am pretty sure that no matter what you write there is a song somewhere that it will sound like. Sampling someone elses chops and putting them in your song unauthorized is IMO way over the line though... however I don't think that happened here, right? All musicians borrow and steal, always have... I thought everyone knew that. J
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/21 10:10:38
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soens Next apples will be suing oranges cauz they're a fruit.
Watermelons will be suing for slander because they are not called berrys and blackberries will sue because they are called berries. A watermeon is a berry and a blackberry is a multi podded fruit. It is Fruitist I tells ya. Fruitism is getting to be a real problem.
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/21 10:33:50
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jbow ... I mean how many different ways can you play three chords? People need to lighten up. If the words are different and the music isn't sampled, it is a different song. I'm not saying that anyone should get away with producing a song named Today to the tune of Yesterday... J
Well... you can't copyright 3 chords, or any backing, or rythm. You can copyright the words and the melody. So you can record your own version of "Yesterday" complete with guitar and strings sounding exactly the same as the orriginal, just as long as you change the words and the melody. You could even call it "Yesterday" as the title can't be copyrighted either..
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2013/08/21 10:38:22
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Karyn
jbow ... I mean how many different ways can you play three chords? People need to lighten up. If the words are different and the music isn't sampled, it is a different song. I'm not saying that anyone should get away with producing a song named Today to the tune of Yesterday... J
Well... you can't copyright 3 chords, or any backing, or rythm. You can copyright the words and the melody. So you can record your own version of "Yesterday" complete with guitar and strings sounding exactly the same as the orriginal, just as long as you change the words and the melody. You could even call it "Yesterday" as the title can't be copyrighted either..
In theory... Try it and see what happens. It will be an interesting experiment... and perhaps Mr. McCartney will pay you! Julien
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Re: The creators of South Park had foreseen this...
2013/08/21 10:40:35
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After Creedence Clearwater Revival broke up, wasn't john Fogerty sued by their record company because his first solo release sounded like CCR?
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