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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA 2013/10/03 23:47:01 (permalink)
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Because a separate notation app is not the same as notation in a DAW.  Composing inside the DAW is what is needed.  ReWire is not a solution either.  I have Sibelius and Notion but I still needed notation in a DAW so I was forced to buy Cubase 7.



i was looking forward to the notaion aspect of cubase 7 until i used it.  i was stunned that i grabbed a triad and moved it up and it only moved each note by semitones, and not according to key.  that's something i had become so used to in sonar that it was just... well... disappointing...


Nothing is perfect but Cubase does things that Sibelius can't do like turn a string of 64th notes that were played in real time as a timpani roll into a correctly notated whole note without changing the underlying MIDI date.  Also I find VST expression far easier than the way Sibelius changes articulations.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA 2013/10/04 02:56:57 (permalink)
I have Notion 3 and Finale 2012.. but I wanted to use Sonar to record and arrange, making use of the midi features I'm familiar with .. then simply print the score for woodwind/brass band rehearsals. Which it can at the moment, but with issues with the triplets and spacing (can't compress score, thus saving space).
 
A printed score from Sonar typically takes about 5 pages, due to standard bar length - but if I export it to Notion, the compressed score is normally about 2 pages, just nice. Oh.. I need to correct those triplets too - for each export. Another 15 to 30 mins spent. Each revision.
 
Rewire.. wont' work.. unless I'm missing something.. can I record midi in Sonar and open up a re-wire midi channel to Notion so I can bypass exporting xmlMusic at the end of each session (not to mention having to setup the song title, instruments name, redo the triplets, etc..) ?
 
Just wish this basic feature can be done in Sonar itself.

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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA 2013/10/04 16:48:08 (permalink)
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Nothing is perfect but Cubase does things that Sibelius can't do like turn a string of 64th notes that were played in real time as a timpani roll into a correctly notated whole note without changing the underlying MIDI date.  Also I find VST expression far easier than the way Sibelius changes articulations.



i haven't tried timpani rolls, will need to take a look at that.  
i have found editing vst expression maps in cubase a little crunky to deal with and a bit limited, and sibelius's sound set editor is a very well thought out and provides a lot of flexibility.  

 
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA 2013/10/04 17:17:35 (permalink)
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 but I wanted to use Sonar to record and arrange, making use of the midi features I'm familiar with .. then simply print the score for woodwind/brass band rehearsals. 


Thats exactly want I want to do. I just want to print the simple score for guitarist and drummer so they can prepare for live session. Maybe I will update to X3, but if the staff editor has the lowest priorty in Cakewalk, I am not so sure. 

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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA 2013/10/04 17:37:11 (permalink)
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I feel the "pain" about the staff view (as much as my limited knowledge of musical theory allows me to anyway...) but, if I remember correctly, Cake once had a specific product for notation. They sold it and... it became NOTION (which is now owned by Presonus... funny...)!
 
Bottom line for me: that deal must have had some kind of clause preventing Cake to develop their notation for "X" number of years...




I'm not sure about the Overture => Notion connection (from Wikipedia):
 
"Overture was originally published by Opcode Systems. It was later published by Cakewalk Inc. It is, as of 2009, published by Sonic Scores (previously named Geniesoft), in both boxed and downloadable versions. A less-expensive, scaled-down version of Overture, called Score Writer, is also published. Demonstration versions of both Overture and Score Writer are available at the Sonic Scores website.:
 
There may be a non-compete clause with Sonic Scores, but probably not with Notion (now Presonus).
 
Besides, no one is asking Cakewalk, Tascam, or Gibson to develop a full blown notation application.
 
Perhaps Gibson could license Sonic Scores Overature or Finale and shoe-horn some new staff editing into Sonar X.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA 2013/10/04 19:36:12 (permalink)
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Ok, let's all say it together. On three. One...two...three... SONAR IS NOT A NOTATION PROGRAM



But it is a pro program, it does have a notation view, and it can't manage triplets, and it has been that way for over a decade.  I don't need pro features here, I do need correctness.




I agree - saying that Sonar is not a notation program is like saying that Sonar is not a step sequencer program or a Matrix program. No one feature "defines" the program, it  is a program of many features and they all should work well. 




Ok, let's all say it together. On three. One... two... three... REAL MUSICIANS DON'T USE TRIPLETS!!!


keith
sharke
kelsoz
yevster
Ok, let's all say it together. On three. One...two...three... SONAR IS NOT A NOTATION PROGRAM



But it is a pro program, it does have a notation view, and it can't manage triplets, and it has been that way for over a decade.  I don't need pro features here, I do need correctness.




I agree - saying that Sonar is not a notation program is like saying that Sonar is not a step sequencer program or a Matrix program. No one feature "defines" the program, it  is a program of many features and they all should work well. 




Ok, let's all say it together. On three. One... two... three... REAL MUSICIANS DON'T USE TRIPLETS!!!





Ahem* ... I believe you meant that count off to be in four..... On four... One ... Two... Three ... Four ....
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