Addictive Drums and Live Acoustic Drums?

One way to achieve something like that is to use audiosnap as demonstrated in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2eecggyVr0
 
Of course using AD instead of session drummer

If AD responds to MIDI input then yeah... as has been mentioned use Audiosnap to turn the drum hits to MIDI notes and use that to feed AD. However, and I may be making an inaccurate assumption here... if so my apologies, you strike me as a metal dude who'd probably dealing with some intricate/chaotic drum recordings. The MIDI extraction will probably be more of a chore because you'll have to look for more dropped/missing transients and manually enable/insert them. Also audiosnap claims to detect the volume of notes and assigns them appropriate velocity levels but as with many "automatic" functions I'm sure this is something else you'll want to keep an eye on.
 
And then there is potential phase issues if the detection puts the MIDI notes slightly out of whack with the acoustic performance. If you've already done this with another sequencer though you are probably aware of all this. Just thought I'd toss these considerations out there and say hi from one metal dude to another. Cheers.

mmorgan
I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. I layer up drums quite often, especially kicks and snares. One new capacity we have now with Melodyne is the conversion of audio to MIDI. So if you took, say your acoustic kick and converted to MIDI then use that MIDI to pump AD. Voila`
 
Regards,
 
Regards,

Wait... basically what you are saying is the integrated Melodyne is a potential/more effective replacement for Audiosnap in regards to transient detection? Can it do time stretching as well?
 
If so I will have to give a reward point or three back to the Bakers.
 
Oh and hi, mmorgan. Hope you've been well. You've always been a quality poster. Your insights are appreciated. Cheers.

dubdisciple
Although i posted the audiosnap video, there are other ways to convert the sound to midi.  As someone posted, meolodyne does that.  I would reccomend using a dry track to do the conversion. The cleaner those transients are, the better your results.

Hi, dub. I'd be curious to hear other methods of transient detection. No need for intense detail (but if you're bored I won't complain ;-p) but if there are components I should be looking at (in X2 or elsewhere) I'd love to hear your opinion. You know far more about this type of thing than I. Cheers.

ohgrant
 Wish I could find it, but Danny has a great video out explaining how to do this in Sonar without the use of programs like Drumagog or Toontracks Drumtracker

Here's the thread where he posted his vids on the Transient Shaper. I forget if the transient to MIDI extraction explanation was part of it or mentioned but at least it'll get you to his youtube page.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...;m=2795310&mpage=1

Beepster, thanks for the compliment, but like you, I am always learning and amazed by what i don't know.  That is the awesome thing about forums like this is that we all share .  In Sonar the three most basic ways are to use audiosnap, meloldyne or v-vocal.  I also saw in a video once a method that used sidechaining to create a track with better transients.  I will post if i can remember which one it was.
 

Beepster

dubdisciple
Beepster, the ARA integration in Sonar is quite impressive imo.  Just drag an audio file on to a midi track and it is converted.  First time I did it was by accident and was blown away.  I accidentally dropped an audio recording on to the lounge lizard piano and next thing I know it converted it and it sounded so good i layered it with the original audio track.

Wow. Freaky. How about time warping audio? Can it speed up/slow down audio clips like Audiosnap?

Beeps, are you looking for something different than Ctrl+slip-edting?
 

stevec

Beepster

dubdisciple
Beepster, the ARA integration in Sonar is quite impressive imo.  Just drag an audio file on to a midi track and it is converted.  First time I did it was by accident and was blown away.  I accidentally dropped an audio recording on to the lounge lizard piano and next thing I know it converted it and it sounded so good i layered it with the original audio track.

Wow. Freaky. How about time warping audio? Can it speed up/slow down audio clips like Audiosnap?

Beeps, are you looking for something different than Ctrl+slip-edting?
 

Yeah. I need to take big long clips and speed up/slow down parts throughout them. I'm trying not to slice and dice everything but it may come to that. I was watching some stuff about the Loop Constructor view and that might help but it seems like that might be a real hassle to deal with and introduce not so nice stutters and other weirdness to the tracks. If Audiosnap worked as advertised it would be ideal but it seems to enjoy crapping itself if you push it too hard.

dubdisciple

Beepster

dubdisciple
Beepster, the ARA integration in Sonar is quite impressive imo.  Just drag an audio file on to a midi track and it is converted.  First time I did it was by accident and was blown away.  I accidentally dropped an audio recording on to the lounge lizard piano and next thing I know it converted it and it sounded so good i layered it with the original audio track.

Wow. Freaky. How about time warping audio? Can it speed up/slow down audio clips like Audiosnap?

The version of melodyne that comes with Sonar is great but to really warp things, an upgrade to assistant or editor is needed.

Thanks. I'll have to look into this more. I don't know much about melodyne. I thought it was basically an Auto Tune clone but it sounds like it does a lot more. I was looking more at Izotope stuff for pitch correction as it comes with some of the Suites I've been looking at. For the time warping though (amongst other editing/premixing stuff) I was basically looking at other DAWs.... which yanno, isn't ideal.

Beepster
Yes, very good addition indeed. To me I wasn't really too concerned about pitch correction but now I'm seeing that Melodyne can do other stuff so as I said some points are being awarded back to Cake for that one. Whether they are enough to push me over the edge... well we'll see how X3 stands up over the next few months after the new DAW scent fades and folks really get a chance to run it through the paces.
 

I hear you. I was going to stay out of the upgrade frenzy for awhile. And I did, A. Very. Short. While.
 
I installed last Friday so I still only have a few hours into it. I'm planning on writing up my thoughts when I get a bit more time in...so far I'm thinking it, to paraphrase John: RAWKS! 
 
Regards,

dubdisciple

Beepster

dubdisciple
Beepster, the ARA integration in Sonar is quite impressive imo.  Just drag an audio file on to a midi track and it is converted.  First time I did it was by accident and was blown away.  I accidentally dropped an audio recording on to the lounge lizard piano and next thing I know it converted it and it sounded so good i layered it with the original audio track.

Wow. Freaky. How about time warping audio? Can it speed up/slow down audio clips like Audiosnap?

The version of melodyne that comes with Sonar is great but to really warp things, an upgrade to assistant or editor is needed.

I only played with the Essential version for a few days before I began watching Melodyne's videos and took advantage of the upgrade offer. Now I cannot distinguish what features were in Essential (I did more learning with the Editor version). I think dubdisciple may be 100% accurate with this statement (they do have nice info on their website). Since X3 users got the $100 version and a deal to upgrade to the $400 (polyphonic) version for $150, I did pounce on that one.
 
One of these days I want to "stress test" Melodyne's Editor and see if I can run it on a completed song to see how accurately it pulls out all notes :)
 
 

Excellent.

I've used AD for a few years now... and I've layered AD over drums on a few tracks.  Old school involved chopping up sections to get hits on the beat, then looping that bar or section... AD often sounded better than recorded drums, so I switched to elec drums.  Now I record those in midi and tweak the AD kit to my liking.