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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/01 19:28:01
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That might be helpful, gswitz, thank you. Did you try it in an existing project, or a new one? Someone at cake suggested that it might be intended behaviour in a "dense" project, but it seems to happen in a new project with only one track too. I have tried many combinations to track it down, but the only common factor seems to be if it is an effect plug, in an FX chain module in the PC. Plus in the FX bin stay where they are. Thanks again for your time. Jonathan
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/01 19:37:23
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Mine was a brand new empty project. I'll start on the vid now.
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/01 20:26:12
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV50ED2Sp-Y Here is where the Vid should be in a few minutes. On an entirely new topic, I wasn't able to export for YouTube from Cakewalk. I had to export to AVI (6GB) then use MS Movie Maker to convert to a 20 MB MP4. I got some error saying no combination of intermediate filters could be found to make the connection. I guess I've got a learning curve there.
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/01 22:27:44
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Got to this party late... jb101 - are you using a dual monitor setup? Reason being, I have the track view on the left monitor and the console view on the right monitor. (X2a Producer, 64-bit) If I open the GUI in an FX bin it sits on top of the console. But click on the console or track view and the GUI slips behind the console. (I can shrink the console, or drag the top of the console screen down, and there behind it is the missing GUI...) If I drag the GUI over to the left monitor, it will remain on top of the track view, even if I click on something in the console or track view. I end up doing a lot of GUI dragging, but if I need the GUI to stay visible, this is how I have to do it...
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gswitz
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/01 23:16:02
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I have 2 monitors, but was only using 1 when I made the video.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 02:21:38
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Hello All... I really appreciate this thread. I'm salivating about X3 (as usual with all upgrades, updates, et al...I'm a long time Cakewalk user) One thing I've learned is to read up on the forum as to program bugs, user reports of functionality and such... I've had a few minor oddities in 8.5 and X2 ...the Cakewalk staff worked really hard on the 8.5 issue as it seemed to have been something known and as of yet had to be reconciled. The issue in X2a was (sort of) remedied when one of the staffers commented on a screen freeze problem when inserting any soft synth ...the issue still exists on my computer but clicking in the taskbar after instantiation unfreezes the screen instantly.
This problem sounds like something I'd like to follow ... Thanks again, y'all
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jb101
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 03:13:19
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Thanks, gswitz, I'll watch it when I get home.
@drummaman - yes, I am using two monitors, with the track view stretched over both monitors, so that could have been an issue, but sometimes the GUI shows up, but as an empty shell.
Thanks all for for your time.
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 03:41:06
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This missing GUI bug happens with R-Mix Sonar in X2a when X2a's memory usage gets high (above 2Gb) and has been a reported bug for some time which can effect some plugins. The GUI bug seems to get worse as Sonar X2a's uses more memory. I stopped using R-Mix Sonar in X2a, because of it. You would start a project with it working and later on R-Mix would just have a blank display. So it would seem the bug is still present in X3.
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jb101
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 04:15:28
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Thanks foryour suggestion. I don't think it can be a memory issue, as gswitz and I have both found it on "empty" projects, and it only seems to affect plugs in FXchains modules. Edited for spelling
post edited by jb101 - 2013/10/02 06:08:47
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 04:56:36
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jb101 How do I send a .cwb file to Cakewalk?
Some insane service there, eh jb? Gotta love it! I hope you get your issue taken care of. As far as a bundle file, you shouldn't have to send them one unless one of the Bakers asks for it. Most times (in the past for me) they just want a .cwp MINUS any audio. So kill all the audio, leave any midi stuff and any plugs and then just save that as "name of song CW" or something so you know what it is. It should be small enough to email if they ask you for it. Good luck! -Danny
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 05:27:45
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Thanks, Danny. Good t here from you. Yes, Dan Gonzalez asked me to send a .cwb file, but, as yet, I've not heard back with instructions. Time zones, and all that. You're right, you've got to love the service. -Jonathan
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 05:35:34
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jb101 Tanks foryour suggestion. I don't think it can be a memory issue, as gswitz and I have both found it on "empty" projects, and it only seems to affect plugs in FXchains modules.
It is seems to be a memory issue on X2a for R-Mix and also it seems other things are coming into play as it happens straight away on your projects in X3a. Have they fixed the GUI memory bug for R-Mix in X3a and caused another bug?. I have not got X3a, so I cannot try out R-Mix with large memory projects to test if the bug is still there.
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gswitz
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 07:52:48
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This is definitely not a memory issue. This is a 'how to repaint dirty windows' issue. :-) Notice in my video that when one is docked and one is not that they are both resized to the size of the dock but only one gets properly painted. No memory issue here. It's obviously the Network Team (joke).
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 07:58:08
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I created CWBRN-20082. Cakewalk bug report.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 09:26:08
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gswitz This is definitely not a memory issue. This is a 'how to repaint dirty windows' issue. :-) Notice in my video that when one is docked and one is not that they are both resized to the size of the dock but only one gets properly painted. No memory issue here. It's obviously the Network Team (joke).
In X2a its memory and redraw issue. When you start a project R-Mix shows as normal. Then when you add more VST instruments and effects, increasing X2a's memory use (above 2Gb), R-Mix shows a blank GUI when you try to view it. In X2a the window is not redraw properly when memory use gets large for some VST's. Memory and redraw seem to have some interaction in X2a. This may not apply to X3a.
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 11:18:30
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In this bug that I did the video for, it is a tiny brand new project with no midi or audio. Just two effects. Memory error?
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 11:53:00
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gswitz In this bug that I did the video for, it is a tiny brand new project with no midi or audio. Just two effects. Memory error?
You are taking about Sonar X3a not Sonar X2a. It could be the same effect, but caused by a different bugs in Sonar X2a and Sonar X3a. Thats why I said "Memory and redraw seem to have some interaction in X2a. This may not apply to X3a." I don't know if X3a has the same redraw bug as X2a. You would need to use R-Mix in X3a in a tiny project and increase Sonar X3a project size to use greater than 2Gb memory to find out. I don't have X3a at the moment.
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 12:25:21
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I have just noticed that if you pin the zoom out Quad Curve EQ and change screensets, then it has gone when you revert.
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jb101
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 12:39:06
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@gswitz (Geoff?) - Do you still have X2a installed? If so, could you try it there as well, please? Thanks.
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 12:56:01
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Jonathan, I have X2a still installed here. If you'd like me to test something for you, I'll gladly do it. Can you please give me the exact order you're doing things and what you want me to do? I'll do it right now for you if you happen to see this. :) P.S. I'm at home though and only have a single monitor. If that's not a problem, just tell me what to do and I'll check it out for you. -Danny
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 13:26:24
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Good news on my end here, I am able to reproduce jb101's issue with his project file. Passing it around to find the solution. I will keep you dudes posted on this. If you can come up with a definitive way to repro it within a new project (with steps) then please post here or PM me if I'm offline. ROCK -DG
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 13:35:15
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We can reproduce this now successfully and are aware of it. Thanks! -DG
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 13:37:03
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You guys are awesome Dan! Ok jb, you got the best guys on this so I shall bow out Sir and hope a fix happens soon for you and anyone else experiencing this. :) -Danny
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jb101
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 13:46:34
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Nice one, Dan G, you've been great. And thanks, Danny D, for your interest and offer. You are a gentleman.
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 18:02:09
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JB101, Yes, my name is Geoff. Yes, the problem exists identically in X2. I have the same behavior pinning the flyout EQ where it does not remain pinned in the screenset through changes in current screen set. :-) We're a good team. Best, Geoff
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 19:44:12
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gswitz JB101, Yes, my name is Geoff. Yes, the problem exists identically in X2. I have the same behavior pinning the flyout EQ where it does not remain pinned in the screenset through changes in current screen set. :-) We're a good team. Best, Geoff
Thanks, Geoff. It's so odd. Why haven't I noticed this before in X2? Did I not notice (or anyone else), or did installing X3 do something? Also, why did it take a copy of my project for Cake to reproduce this? I was starting to think this was system specific, and maybe you and I shared some strange configuration, but surely that wouldn't transfer with the .cwp file? Would it? Anyhow, thank you so much for your help and time. This forum, with people like you, and Cake's staff (I think I've been in contact with at least four of them in the last week), are a major plus to using Sonar. I've learnt a lot from reading your posts in the past. Keep it up.. All the best, Jonathan
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Re: Disappearing GUI in X3
2013/10/02 22:33:36
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Kudos back at you. Yeah... I don't know why the bug went un-noticed.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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