it's working for me here sharke... how about i post a video of it on the morrow?

Welcome to the vsti enable midi out bug....
 
Here is something that happened to me yesterday..
 
Project with 3 Midi tracks.
One is a simple instrument track using session strings  (midi is recorded in PRV)
One is a simple instrument track using lounge lizard (midi is recorded in PRV)
One is Jamstix 3.5 using enable midi out to trigger Addictive drums.  (Note : Jamstix used to host drum synths, now it uses built in drum maps to trigger drum synths using midi out, so I am forced to use enable midi out for Jamstix)
 
Everything works great, I mix, I re-mix I get things sounding just like I want.  Then I decide to extract the audio to a MP3.
 
Now comes the fun part, every time i listen to the extracted audio there is a weird high pitched sound happening through out the song.  What could that be,   hmmmm, sounds kind of rhythmic, I wonder if maybe midi channels are cross firing again...
 
I investigate and finally determine that for some reason, and only during audio bounce, not during playback, the midi from Jamstix is triggering session strings.  
 
Of course that should not happen because I make sure after I am finished recording midi I always select 'none' on the midi input to these tracks.  So nothing should be triggering these tracks, and even if I do not select 'none', I certainly do not select Jamstix as the midi input.  And why only during bounce and not during playback ? WTF???
 
Now I notice something curious, even though I select none as the input, Sonar keeps changing the input to midi omni of the first midi controller in in my midi device list.  I change it to none about 5 times and it keeps changing it back to Omni and session strings keeps getting triggered by Jamstix.   Hmmm.
 
So I then select midi in to session strings as channel 6 (Jamstix is channel 1) and problem is solved.
 
It seems as some level Sonar cannot distinguish in a lot of instances between controllers and channels.
 
I do not know if it is the same issue or not, but I do know that 'enable midi out' on vsti's in Sonar since 8.5 has been real hit and miss.
 
JR
 
 

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Welcome to the vsti enable midi out bug....
Now comes the fun part, every time i listen to the extracted audio there is a weird high pitched sound happening through out the song.  What could that be,   hmmmm, sounds kind of rhythmic, I wonder if maybe midi channels are cross firing again...
 
I investigate and finally determine that for some reason, and only during audio bounce, not during playback, the midi from Jamstix is triggering session strings.  
 
JR

cool!  that's a new one! i'm going to have to try to replicate this at some point. :D

yeah... note- you have to set up to receive midi first, like some of the other reaktor ensembles (see photo).
click the properties tab (checkbox) then the connect button, then under midi in/from selected devices choose plugin. 

 

swamptooth
yeah... note- you have to set up to receive midi first, like some of the other reaktor ensembles (see photo).
click the properties tab (checkbox) then the connect button, then under midi in/from selected devices choose plugin. 

 

Ah thanks...I guess I got so used to the ensembles that I use having MIDI-learn active by default that I did not think to check the MIDI in setting for this one. Great, now I can go wild!
 
Another question: am I right in assuming that you have to route a dummy audio track to Reaktor to get this ensemble to respond to the transport controls? Or is there some other way? 

Swamptooth - I will play with that tonight.  I did not try to record midi, just played.
 
Also, with two instances of spiral I started getting big time mr. freezies.
 
I am thinking to name our issue - 
 
Suggestions :
 
1) Spiral Hang 10
2) Enable Midi Out Freeze Occurrence (EMOFO).
3) Multiple Enable Midi Out Crash (MEMOC)
4) Annoying Reoccurring Sonar Event
5)

There is another very cool sequencer for Reaktor (user library not factory) called NOD-E.  Kind of similar to spiral in some ways, but more like electronic wind chimes.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GODSU5ZjeM
 
Put two of these in the same Sonar project and voila....  EMOFO  (Enable Midi Out Freeze Occurance)  ( I took the liberty since there were no votes and no other suggestions of picking my favorite)


So far we have Spiral, Catanya and NOD-E causing the same issue.  What are the odds that all these developers are making the same mistake.   really quite incredible.
 
JR

If you like Spiral, try Automata:
 
https://co.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=userlibrary&type=0&ulbr=1&plview=detail&patchid=10401
 
To which I added a few things to make this:
 
https://co.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=userlibrary&type=0&ulbr=1&plview=detail&patchid=10403
 
 

Okay I will shut up now....not getting fixed as fast I might want, but they know what it is and they have a plan to fix.....
 

From Noel :

Noel, do you consider the stability issues with having multiple VST with Midi Out a fundamental issue, and will it be addressed in X3c? The release notes for X3b said it had been fixed, but it's till broken... 
 
Stability:

• Resolved a crash when using direct MIDI output with multiple VST Instruments simultaneously, such as multiple instances of JamStix or Catanya (CWBRN-5781, CWBRN-2504, CWBRN-2564, CWBRN-1739)

 
I think your approach of looking to close down the fundamental issues before moving on to dev of X4 is a really positive step; with X3 addressing so many other user concerns straight out the gate, it seems this is really in reach.


The original crash was definitely addressed - I reproduced and fixed it myself and tested with Jamstix. This is another variant that was not in our system. It probably won't make it into X3C due to time constraints but we'll definitely do our best to address it for the next update since its an important fix. Sorry for the delay but there have been a several lot pressing issues to address before this one.
 
 

I found the same thing.   The crash is a little different, it actually plays a little longer maybe, but then crashes.  Sometimes I can even kill it in task manager too and do not have to restart PC.  I guess this is progress??
 
Also, X3c still does not generate a CWBRN message so one could send a log in.  I would love to send one a day if I could.
 
I also notice that the midi x-talk is still there too.   If I have enable midi out on more than one vsti, whenever I record midi I get everything all mixed up on top of one another.  Since I use Jamstix and Catanya in almost every project, this is really, really annoying and disheartening.
 
JR