FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs

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September 29, 13 5:26 PM (permalink)

FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs

Seems they are shared?? Yes/No?
 
This is a slight problem/aggravation if I intend to (at least for a while) bounce between X2 and X3.
 
Mainly because I need to exclude some VSTs in X2 due to the limit, but then it appears the exclude list is shared. So if I exclude in X2 they are also excluded in X3. Bummer.
 
I don't expect X2 to go away anytime soon (for me). Of course the day I decide I no longer need to use X2 this will not be a problem but for now it is a big aggravation.
post edited by bapu - September 30, 13 11:38 AM
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    bapu
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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs September 30, 13 11:37 AM (permalink)
    Nothing?
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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs September 30, 13 12:43 AM (permalink)
    Hi Bapu,
     
    At the moment there is no way to have different exclusions between X2 and X3 since the inventory is shared across product family versions. This issue applies to all versions of SONAR. I can see your point through since we now support more VST's than X2 did :)
    I will have to think about this...

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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs September 30, 13 12:45 AM (permalink)
    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
    Hi Bapu,
     
    At the moment there is no way to have different exclusions between X2 and X3 since the inventory is shared across product family versions. This issue applies to all versions of SONAR. I can see your point through since we now support more VST's than X2 did :)
    I will have to think about this...


    Thanks for thinking about it Noel. That's all I can really ask for.
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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs September 30, 13 1:05 PM (permalink)
    You could always get rid of a few plugs. 

    Should auld acquaintance be forgot--hey, who the hell are you guys?  
     
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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs September 30, 13 1:07 PM (permalink)
    Old55
    You could always get rid of a few plugs. 


    NEVAH!!!!!!!
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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs September 30, 13 3:23 PM (permalink)
    Could you maintain two different versions of the shared folders and drop the right one in when needed? 
     

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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs October 01, 13 10:46 AM (permalink)
    stevec
    Could you maintain two different versions of the shared folders and drop the right one in when needed? 
     


    Are you talking about?
    {program files}\Cakewalk\Shared* 
     
    Nothing in any of those folders that I can see implies the VST scan or exclude lists. Those are what I'd expect to keep unique.
     
    I'm thinking it's in a .ini file but I have not seen or found it.
     
    If it was in a .ini file I'd make SONAR allow an override run time argument {configfilename}.ini={usersupplied path}
     
    That way my desktop short cut for X2 and X3 could point to different lists.
     
    But, that requires the removal of the (probably) hard coded expected file name.
     
    Then again, maybe it's all stored in a registry somewhere.
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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs October 01, 13 11:10 AM (permalink)
    I was actually thinking that I didn't have that many plugs until I fired up X3 for the first time and saw the number 337 after the VST check was complete?!! I realise that this isn't a pinch on Bapu's collection but I still fear that I may have a problem...
     
    Could you just figure out which plugs aren't making it through to X3 from X2's list and then copy and paste their .dll's into X3's vst plugin file folder?

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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs October 01, 13 11:13 AM (permalink)
    You could rename registry keys at runtime using a script and reg.exe...
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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs October 01, 13 11:19 AM (permalink)
    I came up with a simpler solution.
     
    I moved my mono plugs and a specific group that I rarely use into a special VSTPLUGIN folder. That made the X2 list just right.
     
    Now all I have to do is add that path when I fire up X3 and delete the path in X2 and re-scan.
     
    As I've said, this is only until I feel entirely comfortable with X3 (probably after this week when Noel has a fix for the Waves VST3 issue and the UAD issue).
     
    However for production shops that may want to maintain X3 and previous versions I would hope Noel would come up with an elegant solution that only has to be set once.
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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs October 01, 13 12:50 AM (permalink)
    stevec
    Could you maintain two different versions of the shared folders and drop the right one in when needed? 

     
    KPerry
    You could rename registry keys at runtime using a script and reg.exe...



    Can you both be more specific?
     
    @stevec - where exactly is the scan list and exclude list maintained in the "shared folders"?
     
    @KPerry - which registry keys maintain the scan list and exclude list, or which registry key points to them?
     
    I've run text search programs and searched the registry for a very specific vst folder that is in my scan list and have not found them in the registry or
    c:\Program Files\Cakewalk
    or
    ....Users\{me}\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk.
     
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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs October 01, 13 2:29 PM (permalink)
    Actually, after thinking about this a little more I think Kevin is probably more on target - the registry stores a lot of information about the VST inventory, so it seems like a valid location for the exclude list.
     
    Or...  you make a change to the exclude list and save it, then immediately use Windows Explorer to search for files with a current Date Modified time stamp.
     

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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs October 01, 13 2:52 PM (permalink)
    Hi Ed,
     
    I'm just curious...why do you need those mono plugs? The stereo plugs will act as mono when you put them on a mono track. I find no reason to use them so I've disabled them all on my system.
     
    Also, do you use a custom plug list? It's a pain in the butt to create (mine is sick) but once you have it, you can save it and drop it in any version of Sonar and it will work. Of course if you don't have all the plugs installed that are on the list, those plugs just won't appear. But as soon as you install them, they appear on the custom list. I have several different custom plug lists. I hate how long they took me to make, but man they sure do keep things nice and tight....and...there are times when I sincerely don't need to see 800 plugs and 100 of my faves will do just fine, know what I mean?
     
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    Re: FAO: Cake - X2 vs X3 preferences - re: excluded plugs October 02, 13 5:31 AM (permalink)
    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST
     
    (And I think HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST (x64) for 64 bit version, but I don't have that installed).
     
    This includes the VST path.
     
    So...
     
    i) Set up X2 and run scanner
    ii) Export registry key (say vst_x2.reg)
    iii) Delete registry key
    iv) Set up X3 and run scanner
    v) Export registry key (say vst_x3.reg)
    vi) Delete registry key
     
    Batch script would be something like (X2.bat):
    reg delete \\HKCU\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST /f
    reg import vst_x2.reg
    C:\program files (x86)\Cakewalk\SONAR X2 Producer\sonarpdr.exe
     
    Not nice, and you'd need to go through (ii), (iii), (v), (vi) every time you wanted to add/delete plugins.
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