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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 12:14:24
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Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk] As some members have pointed out, it's worth identifying that the issues outlined by the OP are configuration issues and not "bugs". An update to SONAR X2 or an upgrade to SONAR X3 will not address these issues because they are not issues with the application. Why are we all not focusing on that instead? If your computer goes to sleep, your PC is disabling power to connected devices. This is extremely common. If a device is not connected, SONAR can't enable drivers for it because the device is not there. As a result, you'll lose your settings. This isn't specific to SONAR, this happens with computers and music applications in all varieties. Proper configuration is a necessary step in all professional recording applications. One thing I personally always do on my production machines is to go into the Device Manager and disable power saving settings for USB ports and devices.
Yes that is true , there are many user error's too, as you said, i am not saying it's not. but when you use the same software with the same settings / plugins etc ( and you know the plugins are stable ) but just change the DAW itself, and it start to act " nutts ", then it's not that funny anymore. Many ppl like me is just a simple hobby / music iterested person, with not to mutch $$$ for us it is, hard to keep up with buying new versions, when many dont have income of the music itself. But ill wait some more, cause i hope that Cakewalk will do the best and come up with a solution that will satisfy us as well. Thank's jan
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 12:31:08
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Beepster I see we got some more poverty shaming going on in this thread. That's not only offensive it has absolutely nothing to do with how Sonar functions so kindly cut that crap out. Some of us have already removed every possible luxury out of our lives to afford the tools of the trade and even if we hadn't expecting something you've paid good money for to work as advertised isn't exactly some kind of wild concept. That said... OP definitely has other issues above and beyond the X2 wonkiness. You can't just toss a DAW (ANY DAW) on any old machine and expect it to work. Just like with resource intensive games or video production software you have to set the computer up to do what the program requires (that's what all those fancy settings in your OS are for). Don't let your computer go to sleep. Save, close and shutdown if you are trying to conserve energy. If you are trying to run audio applications off battery power... well, IDK what to say to that. Seems like a bad idea.
As for me i always make sure the computer runs at full power with all power saving's disabled. Neighter do i have any games or any other stuff on it, than Sonar itself and Steinberg wavelab and a program to Convert to diffrent audio fileformat's. What others do i dont know.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 12:46:49
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keneds We've been forgotten about. Left behind. I love my X2 producer. They should sell a patch for X2 to have the color change functionality.
Really ! i tought when you buy a product and pay for it, then is shal be a stable and fully working version that's not causing the user to use another $ 300 to get it working ! Colors , who cares about colors  , me needs a working product LOL'z
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 13:49:39
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Beepster I see we got some more poverty shaming going on in this thread. That's not only offensive it has absolutely nothing to do with how Sonar functions so kindly cut that crap out. Some of us have already removed every possible luxury out of our lives to afford the tools of the trade and even if we hadn't expecting something you've paid good money for to work as advertised isn't exactly some kind of wild concept. That said... OP definitely has other issues above and beyond the X2 wonkiness. You can't just toss a DAW (ANY DAW) on any old machine and expect it to work. Just like with resource intensive games or video production software you have to set the computer up to do what the program requires (that's what all those fancy settings in your OS are for). Don't let your computer go to sleep. Save, close and shutdown if you are trying to conserve energy. If you are trying to run audio applications off battery power... well, IDK what to say to that. Seems like a bad idea.
+1 I did try and address this nice and early (in his other thread) before we got the obligatory "SONAR IS CRAP" and then the further obligatory other disgruntled Users joining in the farce with with "X2a is **** and its bugged" blah blah charade. This OP CLEARLY has *some* knowledge of a system for he can quite easily pop into regedit and tweak around and yet has no inclination to tweak his system accordingly within Windows. When I have bought an upgrade of Hardware AND Software at the same time I spend alot of hours researching before my buys and IF I get into trouble I approach for advice (if I cant sort it myself - seldom happens) on the forums with some kind of politeness. Meh, anyway, another fine example of how forums can work sometimes and we shouldnt let this burst our X3 bubble, for its a good one and all we can do is try and help "fellow Users"
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 13:51:04
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keneds We've been forgotten about. Left behind. I love my X2 producer. They should sell a patch for X2 to have the color change functionality.
Really ! i tought when you buy a product and pay for it, then is shal be a stable and fully working version that's not causing the user to use another $ 300 to get it working !
Colors , who cares about colors , me needs a working product LOL'z
Judging by your system spec you'll be in trouble using Reaper.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 15:35:20
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reaper Ehhhh, i ran Sonar X1b perfectly well when i had that one installed. The best version besides 8.5
I know my specs on the computer ain't the best, but a well written program shal run good enought for small mixing / recording purposes.
You tend to be a bit " high up there " , because you have a better computer !
all i see is : thread's about problem with that and this all over even in X3 too. and there has been a bunch of threads about bug's in X2 also.
If X2a and X3 is so perfect, why is ppl complaining then !
All i want, as many others is a stable DAW, that is already payed for.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 15:40:37
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Soundblend reaper Ehhhh, i ran Sonar X1b perfectly well when i had that one installed. The best version besides 8.5
I know my specs on the computer ain't the best, but a well written program shal run good enought for small mixing / recording purposes.
You seems a bit " high up there " , because you have a better computer !
all i see is : thread's about problem with that and this all over even in X3 too. and there has been a bunch of threads about bug's in X2 also.
If X2a and X3 is so perfect, why is ppl complaining then !
All i want, as many others is a stable DAW, that is already payed for.
*sigh* To quote Mrs Doyle in Father Ted... "OK so!"
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 15:42:11
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2013/10/06 07:22:09
this thread seems to be running itself into the ground.... LOCK!!!!
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 15:47:27
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] There are no plans for SONAR X2b. I know that's not what you want to hear but I also don't want you to think we are ignoring you. SONAR X3b is the latest version of SONAR. I understand your point and we are working hard to try and make SONAR better for all customers.
From everything I've read over the last year or so since I upgraded to X2a from X1d, including the many complaints about & pleadings to Cakewalk, an all-around fair compromise to me would have been this: Offer X3 as an improved update - just simply 'bare bones' as any other update, (as some are referring to it now), for anywhere from free to say no more than $30.00, with no new extras or instruments included whatsoever, possibly with the exception of the color enhancements that so many have asked [begged] for, for so long. Then, for to those who desire, add a 2nd option of the current X3 upgrade (not update), just as it has been released - including all the goodies, Melodyne, ADrums, AS & LL, plus all the 'new features', etc. etc. for the current fees, $49, 99, 149 - for those who wish to move ahead/up one level. Now from a business point of view, that might have cost more than a 'small company' could afford, but to me that would have been the most ethical thing to do, considering this last year's overall schmozzle of unhappiness. Besides that, losing how many ??? customers due to frustrations, waiting endlessly for fixes & updates as given with X1a-d, and therefore expected & anticipated for X2a...and tolerating Cake's 'brick wall' of continued silence up until just a week or two ago - wouldn't that all have been worth avoiding? 1. Loyal, patient customers could have been rewarded with some fixes & improvements at little or no cost [$30], which most said they would have paid for; 2. More dollars could have stayed within this 'small company' instead of jumping ship & going elsewhere in the meantime, all the while X3 was being worked on, again in complete & total silence. Can't help but feel this would have been the best option(s) for the customer base at large, and would have given more credence to this statement above: ...and we are working hard to try and make SONAR better for all customers... Lastly, I think that increasing the upgrade cost by 50% - to $149 from the usual $99 is a bit of a slap in the face to all those who've waited ever so patiently. If anything, I would have expected it to be slightly reduced as a sort of 'humble apology to the faithful' - say $79 or so. Don't get me wrong - I have the money. $149 vs. $99 doesn't make a dent either way for me - but it's the principal of the matter.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 15:48:31
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Yes LOCK it , also the " problem threads " for X2 and X3 cause ther aint a problem at all, is it ? , just imagination.
Pffft..
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 17:25:50
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2013/10/06 07:18:06
Soundblend Yes LOCK it , also the " problem threads " for X2 and X3 cause ther aint a problem at all, is it ? , just imagination.
Pffft..
CW has already stated that X3 is their only direction going forward. So this thread probably wouldn't be an issue if it could actually stay focused on the OP's issues running X2a, rather than opinions about what CW should or should have not done. Because obviously that's not really going to help the OP use the product he purchased, is it?
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 17:37:20
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2013/10/06 07:22:48
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk] As some members have pointed out, it's worth identifying that the issues outlined by the OP are configuration issues and not "bugs". An update to SONAR X2 or an upgrade to SONAR X3 will not address these issues because they are not issues with the application. Why are we all not focusing on that instead? If your computer goes to sleep, your PC is disabling power to connected devices. This is extremely common. If a device is not connected, SONAR can't enable drivers for it because the device is not there. As a result, you'll lose your settings. This isn't specific to SONAR, this happens with computers and music applications in all varieties. Proper configuration is a necessary step in all professional recording applications. One thing I personally always do on my production machines is to go into the Device Manager and disable power saving settings for USB ports and devices. JimmyBoy, definitely give the guys here on the forum a chance to assist and/or definitely give our Tech Support guys a ring if you get the chance. Contact info here: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/contact/default.aspx We can definitely help you troubleshoot those types of symptoms. BTW, regarding the error on the website, it looks like a redirect was taken down. I'll fix that. Sorry for the confusion on that!
Amen Brother.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 18:09:43
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] There are no plans for SONAR X2b. I know that's not what you want to hear but I also don't want you to think we are ignoring you. SONAR X3b is the latest version of SONAR. I understand your point and we are working hard to try and make SONAR better for all customers.
From everything I've read over the last year or so since I upgraded to X2a from X1d, including the many complaints about & pleadings to Cakewalk, an all-around fair compromise to me would have been this: Offer X3 as an improved update - just simply 'bare bones' as any other update, (as some are referring to it now), for anywhere from free to say no more than $30.00, with no new extras or instruments included whatsoever, possibly with the exception of the color enhancements that so many have asked [begged] for, for so long. Then, for to those who desire, add a 2nd option of the current X3 upgrade (not update), just as it has been released - including all the goodies, Melodyne, ADrums, AS & LL, plus all the 'new features', etc. etc. for the current fees, $49, 99, 149 - for those who wish to move ahead/up one level. Now from a business point of view, that might have cost more than a 'small company' could afford, but to me that would have been the most ethical thing to do, considering this last year's overall schmozzle of unhappiness. Besides that, losing how many ??? customers due to frustrations, waiting endlessly for fixes & updates as given with X1a-d, and therefore expected & anticipated for X2a...and tolerating Cake's 'brick wall' of continued silence up until just a week or two ago - wouldn't that all have been worth avoiding? 1. Loyal, patient customers could have been rewarded with some fixes & improvements at little or no cost [$30], which most said they would have paid for; 2. More dollars could have stayed within this 'small company' instead of jumping ship & going elsewhere in the meantime, all the while X3 was being worked on, again in complete & total silence. Can't help but feel this would have been the best option(s) for the customer base at large, and would have given more credence to this statement above: ...and we are working hard to try and make SONAR better for all customers... Lastly, I think that increasing the upgrade cost by 50% - to $149 from the usual $99 is a bit of a slap in the face to all those who've waited ever so patiently. If anything, I would have expected it to be slightly reduced as a sort of 'humble apology to the faithful' - say $79 or so. Don't get me wrong - I have the money. $149 vs. $99 doesn't make a dent either way for me - but it's the principal of the matter.
I'm sure most of us on the forum wishes this could have been, I would have been happy to give them more of my money/ would have upgraded sooner(as I do see myself upgrading/ but now not till 4, as of now my moneys going to another DAW) and maybe even some of this bickering would have been lessened. at the same time I know CW had to prove itself to it's new owners, coming out with a new version and making more money is one way, it is business after all. And if it will keep them around I'm willing to wait and see what transpires.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 19:36:45
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ugp ...as of now my moneys going to another DAW...
As did mine in June. ugp ...and maybe even some of this bickering would have been lessened...
For sure. ugp ...at the same time I know CW had to prove itself to it's new owners, coming out with a new version and making more money is one way, it is business after all. And if it will keep them around I'm willing to wait and see what transpires...
Yup - good points! And as a fellow businessman, you'd think I'd remember to keep that in the foreground. I guess I just focus on seeing happy customers as repeat customers. When some flee elsewhere, it causes me to wonder why and how it could have been prevented. I actually have few customers that insist on paying me more than I ask them for when the times comes to present the bill, if you can believe it. So customer satisfaction is everything to me. That's not to say that X3 won't satisfy, as it seems to be off to a good start for those who chose to bite. But I too shall pass on it.
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