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Boston , we have a problem !!

Ok guyz here's the thing ..
 
I've been fighting with Sonar X3 since its install (and re install)) but i decided to work like nothing happened today 
 
First thing i open a template (project) and insert Maschine 16 out template !
 
Super duper slow insert !!! i was like what ? ok  i open X1 , do the same : way faster ....
 
i also changed the default track size to check if iyt wasn't this causing the issue : nope ...
 
One more thing it seem that the graphic engine of X3 is way more hungry when it comes to ram ..
 
here's the videos :
 
X1 :
 
http://s638.photobucket.com/user/zoakajeezo/media/X1maschineinsert.mp4.html
 
X3
 
http://s638.photobucket.com/user/zoakajeezo/media/X3maschineinsert.mp4.html
 
Can somebody confirm this with a multi timbrale Template (by the way i tried with a X3 saved template : same thing
 
24 sec for X1
1min04 for X3 !!

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 16:40:16 (permalink)
    I see you have been having a few issues. Can you contact our tech support and we can try and figure out what is going on.
     
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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 16:51:05 (permalink)
    Ok easy to reproduce 
     
    isnert a synth .. open gui , solo it (via gui or whatever track/synth rack) , close plugin , re open plugin ...no more solo showed ....
     


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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 16:55:20 (permalink)
    Andre , can't you reproduce this ?  both things ? 
     
    i wanna collect all the things before making tikets  .....
     
    My system is I7 920 , win 32 , 4gb of ram , VS 700 , dpc latency 90us ....zero issues in 5 years 
     
    So defenitly i want to isolate the thing and stress ypou guyz to look for it ...again i've been playing with sonar in real use since 10 min , can't imagine nobody seen that !! or is it just me ...
     
    Also one thing is killing : the double clikc on the track name doesn't work from start  iunless the track is selected before .....issue or volontary ?
     
     

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 17:35:15 (permalink)
    Can't reproduce solo status not persisting in synth GUI or double-clicking track name on unfocused track not opening the field for editing.

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 17:46:18 (permalink)
    Probably unrelated but I saw a thread where someone's X3 install was going into some kind of perpetual VST scan loop which was sucking up all their resources and causing a ton of problems.
     
    But... probably unrelated. Just thought I'd mention it 'cause you seem to be having a heck of a time and I got nothin' else.
     
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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 18:06:08 (permalink)
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    Ok easy to reproduce 
     
    isnert a synth .. open gui , solo it (via gui or whatever track/synth rack) , close plugin , re open plugin ...no more solo showed ....
     



     
    Confirmed here . 
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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 18:12:13 (permalink)
    thks jps ...witch system spec ....?
     
    Beepster : yep this is due to options check on the vst scan pref ......nothing cheked here exept scan at start ...as usual ...

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 18:17:28 (permalink)
    ok guyz another solo thing :
     
    get 2 tracks , so the first one , then the next one , the hit the solo exlusiv button : both gets un-soloeed !!
     
    it used to solo exluse the last one in X1 
     
    Anyone can re produce ?
     

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 18:31:14 (permalink)
    Zo
    thks jps ...witch system spec ....?
     
    Beepster : yep this is due to options check on the vst scan pref ......nothing cheked here exept scan at start ...as usual ...


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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 18:39:03 (permalink)
    Confirmed the VSTi "Solo GUI" issue here.
     
    If you close the GUI while solo'd, re-open the GUI, Solo status in the GUI is no longer lit.
     
    Switching the Solo in the VSTi GUI lights it again, and brings the GUI status back in sync (without any change to the actual real solo status).
     
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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 19:03:55 (permalink)
    thks guyz ..tikets so !!
     
    can anybody confirm that in preference , color , console view , we have no more option to choose the text background ? i checked X1 and we have the double of color option in Console view !!!
     
    bakers if it's the case : WHY ? 
     


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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 19:22:11 (permalink)
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    ok guyz another solo thing :
     
    get 2 tracks , so the first one , then the next one , the hit the solo exlusiv button : both gets un-soloeed !!
     
    it used to solo exluse the last one in X1 
     
    Anyone can re produce ?
     


    Aha, you missed X2 Zo ?
    It also works like this in X2 - X2 and X3 behave the same.
     
    I didn't see this as a problem though, and haven't seen other complaints about it.
    I just select Exclusive Solo, then start soloing tracks as I want to hear them.
     
    It may be the intended way since X2, and it doesn't bother my workflow.
     
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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 19:28:15 (permalink)
    thks Cliff ..well the thing is that you sometime figure out that you didn't engaged it then ypou clik on and Bam all playing ....lol 
     
    also here's a video i amde and see my console cosutmistaion : no way now ...we have to stik with Fashy numebre and letter  and same background for names ...to distracting , why do they give one side and take the other ....!!
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuQ4jTX77dw&lc=u2-X0cAGbRAJZ81VNDm3qgnWY6IwVrQr3SjO3ICULRU

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 20:26:24 (permalink)
    Well, Zo, these appear to be rare and minor GUI glitches to me.  Do they really cause you that much trouble or is this just a huge annoyance to the OCD kind of user?
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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 21:42:17 (permalink)
    well i just had a dropout after hit one number to switch screen set in a project at 10% of cpu !!
     
    so this is more than small gui thing ...

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 22:31:25 (permalink)
    ZO, 
    Can't repro the synth solo problem at all. As far as exclusive solo goes, the documentation says it all...
    "When you solo a track or bus in Exclusive Solo mode, all other soloed tracks or buses are automatically unsoloed. This allows you to quickly listen to individual tracks and buses in isolation without having to manually unsolo other tracks or buses."
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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/12 22:37:14 (permalink)
    Zo could you list your system specs and audio specs. Also your graphics card. 

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/13 04:18:05 (permalink)
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    well i just had a dropout after hit one number to switch screen set in a project at 10% of cpu !!
     
    so this is more than small gui thing ...


    That seems unrelated to your OP and your second post (#3 to which I was resonding to).  Or is this (another of) your ranting complaint thread?

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/13 07:34:07 (permalink)
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    well i just had a dropout after hit one number to switch screen set in a project at 10% of cpu !!
     
    so this is more than small gui thing ...


    That seems unrelated to your OP and your second post (#3 to which I was resonding to).  Or is this (another of) your ranting complaint thread?




     
    well i was ponting out that this wasn't just minor bugs around (as someone said ) ..
     
    @swaamptooh : yep i know how solo exclusive work , what i'm saying is that when you solo several track , then hit the solo exclusiv AFTER , instead of solo Excluisvily the las one selected , it UN-Solo all !!
     
    @John : well i must say that i know this is 100 % Unrelated to my system since X1 is damn rock solid on , and so 8.5 , i tried X2 few weeks ago , a free copy i had for the SAE , i was testing to see if i validated it for student and in the studio : NO WAY !! 
    I had a lot of hope for X3 (that i bought to try !! since not yet demo and physical sells) , but no way for now , i give them a chance until the next update ....don't get me wrong , X3 is working and you can work without MAJOR breaks , but i refuse to use some that looks better but works less good ...the engine is definitly not on pair with the X1 D smoothness ...and very easy to spot on , it took me 10 min on X2 , same on X3 ...
     
     
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    You know i do my very best to expose what i consider the best and most complete daw around ( also check the feedbacks i have on my Youtube videos under sonar (http://www.youtube.com/user/ZozillaThaGreat)) .....but i really doubt that i can do X3 based ones ....that was my goal !
     
    my second system (where i do videos ) HP 8560W i7 2670QM , Quadro 1000m , 4GB win pro 32 ...(i didn't installed it there ...)
     
    So at the end , i have a computer master Degre and also teach it at the SAE , computer course DAW oriented ...what i'm saying is that be sure that whe i post some , i try to isolate it from any integration issues ;)  you can check stress test videos on X1 ;) as well to validetated back then HP workstations for students and friends ....i'm using it since the HP 8710w ....and plan on ttesting soon the HP Z1  ...anyway thks guyz for coming in ...and i feel sorry to kinda poluate the forum , but as a Pro , i still wonder how some stuff passed the BEta , and i beta a lot of stuff around ...
     
    sorry for the long post ;)

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/13 09:53:19 (permalink)
    Well,well well,
    I'm certainly not out looking for[more] trouble but....
    I get hacked,lose all my projects/licenses[still have external etc,but....],still being a newb with computers[2years?]I end up spending weeks getting back into my old user account[along with 10+ UNKNOWN friends...truly awful, MSE does zilch!] on my C: drive,because of all this,I can't use a credit card online ATM,so I Totally miss out on X3's release,and NOW I see good ole Zo-who wisely skipped X2,and now he's having prob's with X3 [which I "can't buy"].......is there something like an asteroid hurtling our way or something?
     
    By the way Zo knows his sh.. um stuff,he's a teacher at SAE.
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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/10/13 17:27:00 (permalink)
    Ok anybody noticed that :
     
    Track view for exemple , bus zone maximise each bus ..then n X1 when we used to scroll throw them we used to see each track taken the whole space ...not in X3 !! while doing it with arrow workkds , each mouse scrool doesn't do it ....
     
    anybody can confirm this ?

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/11/01 13:10:10 (permalink)
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    Confirmed the VSTi "Solo GUI" issue here.
     
    If you close the GUI while solo'd, re-open the GUI, Solo status in the GUI is no longer lit.
     
    Switching the Solo in the VSTi GUI lights it again, and brings the GUI status back in sync (without any change to the actual real solo status).
     
    Cheers - Cliff




    I can confirm this also. Acts the same on my Home PC as it does for Cliff.
     
    Zo
    Ok anybody noticed that :
     
    Track view for exemple , bus zone maximise each bus ..then n X1 when we used to scroll throw them we used to see each track taken the whole space ...not in X3 !! while doing it with arrow workkds , each mouse scrool doesn't do it ....
     
    anybody can confirm this ?




    And I am assuming Zo that you have learned this is intended.
     
    But never thought of using the arrow key to do the old behavior!! Good one there!

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/11/01 14:12:51 (permalink)
    I simply do NOT see this at all...
     
    I can do videos if you want, but maschine loading is 6 secs from hitting ok to the folder, midi track and 16 audio tracks plus maschine VST window opening. It does take 2 secs longer than X1 however
     
     
    Zo
    Ok guyz here's the thing ..
     
    I've been fighting with Sonar X3 since its install (and re install)) but i decided to work like nothing happened today 
     
    First thing i open a template (project) and insert Maschine 16 out template !
     
    Super duper slow insert !!! i was like what ? ok  i open X1 , do the same : way faster ....
     
    i also changed the default track size to check if iyt wasn't this causing the issue : nope ...
     
    One more thing it seem that the graphic engine of X3 is way more hungry when it comes to ram ..
     
    here's the videos :
     
    X1 :
     
    http://s638.photobucket.com/user/zoakajeezo/media/X1maschineinsert.mp4.html
     
    X3
     
    http://s638.photobucket.com/user/zoakajeezo/media/X3maschineinsert.mp4.html
     
    Can somebody confirm this with a multi timbrale Template (by the way i tried with a X3 saved template : same thing
     
    24 sec for X1
    1min04 for X3 !!





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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/11/01 17:42:53 (permalink)
    I have also noticed Maschine template load times (probably all track template load times....ominsphere, garritan, kontakt) slow down over the past three versions.
     
    X1 is the smoothest by far with no visible stuttering like later versions at ~9 seconds
    X2 ~10secs
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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/11/01 17:50:25 (permalink)
    My Maschine insert (16x audio, 8x midi) also seems to take quite long. I never used it before X3 to be honest so I can't compare, but I was surprised it takes as long as it does, my system may not be the very top of the line but it's certainly no slouch.
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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/11/01 19:04:22 (permalink)
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    Ok anybody noticed that :
     
    Track view for exemple , bus zone maximise each bus ..then n X1 when we used to scroll throw them we used to see each track taken the whole space ...not in X3 !! while doing it with arrow workkds , each mouse scrool doesn't do it ....
     
    anybody can confirm this ?


    intendend behavior, its called fractional scrolling.

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/11/01 23:28:18 (permalink)
    thks guyz for checking it  and taking time ;)
     
    well my template is pretty heavy as buses , plugins are in and sample on a 7200rpm drive ...but even on a regular insert (no tempplate) in noticed a big diffrence ....at the end , i just want X3 to not be worst than X1 in working areas .....

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/11/01 23:36:43 (permalink)
    perfectprint
    I have also noticed Maschine template load times (probably all track template load times....ominsphere, garritan, kontakt) slow down over the past three versions.
     
    X1 is the smoothest by far with no visible stuttering like later versions at ~9 seconds
    X2 ~10secs
    X3 is 15 seconds.


     9/15 this is 50% 
     
    i think the load time depends on maschine banks (i have pretty all) + icons + buses and effects link anyway ...my noise telling me (or my little finger) that some under the hood is less optimised or more poluated
     
    Can anybody confirm that we have less color customasition in the console view versus x1 ?

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    Re: Boston , we have a problem !! 2013/11/01 23:38:50 (permalink)
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    Ok anybody noticed that :
     
    Track view for exemple , bus zone maximise each bus ..then n X1 when we used to scroll throw them we used to see each track taken the whole space ...not in X3 !! while doing it with arrow workkds , each mouse scrool doesn't do it ....
     
    anybody can confirm this ?


    intendend behavior, its called fractional scrolling.




    X1 : working 
    X3 : not working the same
     
    you're saying this is the way it's supposed to work ? if so , a pure drawback !!! if it was implemented like this in X1 this was for a reason ....am i missing something or a new way to do it ?
     

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