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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/23 11:15:30 (permalink)
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Hello,
 
Moving to X3 resulted in a really annoying problem. Every time i move any VST knob/fader with a mouse I get glitchy sound and CPU overload. It happens not with all of the plugins (Arturia works fine), but a great many of them including anything made by TAL. 



I downloaded the trial for this TAL Bassline Plugin.  As soon as I dropped in some MIDI and set the MIDI to loop, SONAR X3 crashed to the desktop. A full reboot was required.  I'm going to test this plugin within X2 and see if it has the same effect (no pun intended :P)
 
I'll keep you guys posted.
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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/23 11:28:27 (permalink)
Alright, well it does seem like I can get this plugin to crash pretty frequently.  Whatever the issue is may be related to the GUI glitching while moving knobs.  Our team looking into this now. 
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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/23 23:07:39 (permalink)
Sorry to hijack the thread, but do you "want to hear the most annoying sound in the world?" If so, then watch and listen to this...
 
http://www.efextek.com.co...oyingSonarGlitches.mp4
 
Pay attention not the looping beat and synths but rather the EXTREME scratchy audio that occurs when dragging the MIDI notes, or opening the SYSEX page (seen near the end). Is this like what the OP is experiencing?  I have not, repeat, have not figured out a cure to this glitchy-scratchy garbage! It's seems that no matter what the buffer/latency setting, it still persists.
 
I use a TI-chipped Firewire PCIe card and a Focusrite Firewire interface (Saffire Pro 24). In a desperate attempt to salvage this pile of you know what, I am going to buy a Scarlett 18i6 just to see if a USB interface cleans it up. If not, then I will return it.
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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/24 01:06:38 (permalink)
FWIW, a few of us have been/are successfully using the 18i6 with SONAR.  I'm running Win7 x64 on a Q9300 w/ 8GB RAM - not a high-end system by any means, but stable with SONAR.   For tracking or critical purpose I can run at 1ms input latency, but once the project fills up it's usually in the 6-12ms range - still very usable.  And with that, the only graphics related thing that consistently causes some gltchy/static behavior is when moving the TH2 UI around, something others have seen as well.
 
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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/24 01:46:24 (permalink)
Dan Gonzalez [Cakewalk]
Alright, well it does seem like I can get this plugin to crash pretty frequently.  Whatever the issue is may be related to the GUI glitching while moving knobs.  Our team looking into this now. 
-DG


hey dan.  i just followed the same steps you did with no irregularities whatsoever.  no gui glitches at all either. weird. 
edit: with the tal bassline-101 i did repro a crash.  took a while though...
post edited by swamptooth - 2013/10/24 02:31:09

 
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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/24 03:06:46 (permalink)
I just spent 20 minutes trying to generate glitches in the X3 demo running at 256 samples with all MIDI tracks unfrozen, console emulators enabled on all tracks, dragging TH2 and other GUIs around the interface, scrolling rapidly up and down through tracks with the cursor keys, zooming the track pane, tweaking knobs everywhere, etc, etc. Playback and graphics were as smooth as I have ever seen both audibly and visibly. Quite impressive, actually, especially considering the humble hardware I'm running.
 
I sincerely hope Dan et al. can get to the bottom of this for everyone reporting issues in this thread, 'cause this is a great piece of software when everything's happy.
 
 

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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/25 02:00:10 (permalink)
I believe the glitch issue appears only in the 32-bit version. I installed X3-64 yesterday and the glitch is gone (at least with those plugins who reappeared in the 64-bit environment). I tried to stay on 32-bit version as long as possible to avoid "migration hell", but maybe it's time to move on...
 
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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/25 03:19:22 (permalink)
Happens for me on 64 bit but only with Breverb and the BlueTubes stuff.
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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/26 18:49:24 (permalink)
I'm having a similar issue, and I had another thread on this.  I am not having any sound or CPU spikes though.  It only seems to be glitching with the faders and knobs and only with the mouse.  If I use the scroll wheel, no problems at all, also if I use the touchscreen there are no issues.
 
Another issue seems to be that I'm getting strange video glitches, like when I open certain projects they come up in real tiny font and if I move the bus pane on the console view, there is some strange trailing at the bottom of the screen and is left on there.
 
 

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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/26 23:12:20 (permalink)
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I'm having a similar issue, and I had another thread on this.  I am not having any sound or CPU spikes though.  It only seems to be glitching with the faders and knobs and only with the mouse.  If I use the scroll wheel, no problems at all, also if I use the touchscreen there are no issues.
 
Another issue seems to be that I'm getting strange video glitches, like when I open certain projects they come up in real tiny font and if I move the bus pane on the console view, there is some strange trailing at the bottom of the screen and is left on there.
 
 




I'm having similar issues with both glitchy sounds - esp when manipulating the Nomad Factory audio effects...just moving a dial whilst playing will get me a massive drop out of sound - and redrawing of VST plug-ins in the main window. That is, if I dock a plug-in in the main view, I can still just see another docked plug-in underneath...like just the bottom of the other one. Although I had Alchemy docked last night and I could see the console underneath it, although it wasn't active. Confused me for a bit at first, as I tried to move one of the dials in the console and it wasn't working, so I thought uh-oh, crash! DOH! It wasn't actually there, so when I went back to the console dock, everything was working.
 
 

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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/28 13:29:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby organickloud 2013/10/28 15:35:02
I think I have resolved the mouse issue.  Just curious any of you out there having problems with fader and control knobs, are you using a laser mouse, or other high DPI mouse?
 
On my other thread someone suggested that mice like this, especially gaming mice have problems because they typically report position data back to the OS up to 10 times more than a typical optical mouse.  I switched it out for an old Microsoft blu track optical mouse and Voila! no problems with the faders and knobs.
 
Now I had my Logitech M510 for years and it worked fine in 8.5, X1 and X2, and only seems to have this problem in X3.  Hopefully this will give the developers some insight!

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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/29 21:40:44 (permalink)
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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/29 22:09:53 (permalink)
[content removed by 2:43AM; started own thread.]
 
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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/29 22:38:34 (permalink)
Hi,
Would like to weigh in on the debate. My"glitch" has to do with "ANY" mouse movement at all in the track pane on playback. 
No amount of buffer or tweaking can prevent it. Was using Logitech cordless laser mouse & tried same brand usb....still get audio skip.
Any ideas appreciated.........where's my crappy old MS mouse gone?
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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/30 12:27:03 (permalink)
Hi all, a similar reply i posted on another thread with regards to a similar issue.

ok this is what i have found... 
 
i believe this has nothing to do with the issues of gaming mices. In the offending Project i opened, every time the mouse moves over the clips area and tracks area these clicks and pops occur. HOWEVER, this occurs ONLY when ProChannel is expanded. if ProChannel is closed and yet remains active (or ProChannel is disabled expanded or not does not matter), moving the mouse over any area of Sonar and or out of Sonar playback will be as smooth as can be.  
 
again the clicks and pops issue occur on different projects and it doesnt seem to be related to anything specific. This offending project has only 1 instance of Kontakt, 3 instruments loaded and 2 bus outs. On other bigger projects, with up to 7 bus outs, multiple Kontakts instances + others, i have not experienced similar issues.  All my previous projects were created with X1d.

hope this help guys...

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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/30 19:23:10 (permalink)
We got to get some resolution on this. Could it be caused by graphics-card drivers or IRQ conflicts? As in my other thread I started, I get severe driver latencies ONLY when the MultiDock is maximized to fit the screen and the mouse is moved around with something grabbed (e.g. MIDI notes in the PRV, clips, etc.). This is some weird stuff!

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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/30 21:39:18 (permalink)
YES KEYZ... In the offending Project i opened, every time the mouse moves over the clips area and tracks area these clicks and pops occur.
 
One project that is playing up only has 4 audio tks with very little else...does EXACTLY that.
 
Trying drivers etc with no luck...Pro Channel not on.
 
Here's a kicker...I opened the Sonar demo file...playing as we speak & can't get it to skip a beat..pardon the pun.
 
VERY FFRUSTRATING.....was running fine then this. ANYONE HELP???????
 
 
post edited by Jinxy - 2013/10/30 21:49:07

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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/31 12:45:32 (permalink)
fyi, it appears X1c has fixed the audio glitches I was getting when moving faders and knobs in Addictive Keys and Breverb. And on my system at least, generally better stability with high CPU loads. Hope other people get lucky too.

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Re: X3: Glitchy sound / CPU overload when tweaking a vst knob with a mouse 2013/10/31 13:38:30 (permalink)
Thanks for the bump on this. I forgot to update as well. The TAL plugins issue should be resolved as well. 
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