(Not So) Quick Question: Effects Linked on Clone? (Seems Like No Answer)

So I clone a track, turn off everything but properties and the effects are still linked. That would be cool if I wanted that. Not sure why this is happening. Someone let me in.

Check out these two threads, I think they'll help.  Cloning tracks is a bit...weird (I wish Sonar would just implement a 'copy track' function!)
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...s-linked-m2856182.aspx
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...onfusion-m2885005.aspx
 
(The second link, a thread started by me, is specifically about effects being linked in cloned tracks).

The short answer is...
Do not clone instrument tracks.

I tried it on non-simple instrument tracks. Still an issue.
 
Seems like the only way to clone a track is to save it as a preset and reload it in a new instance. It never used to work like that. This really kills my workflow. I wish I was overflowing with cash in order to switch DAWS. I mean what are they thinking? Am I missing something here?

What happens if you select the track, by clicking on the track number, to bring it into focus, then right-click on the track and click copy (which should copy all events in all of the clips on that track, because the whole track is in focus), and then paste those copied clips into a new empty track?
 
I do this with audio tracks to create a complete duplicate of the clips, but without any issues that might arise from doing it as a clone.
 
After I paste everything in to the new empty track, I just have to set up inputs/outputs and effects, and I am all set.
 
Would the above work for you?  It's really fast to do.
 
Bob Bone
 

The only way to know what instruments actually exist is in the synth rack view. The tracks in the main timeline really have nothing to do with what is actually going on in virtual instrument land.
 
They seriously don't even need a synth rack view. Just make the track pane relevant to what is going on. Make the clone feature real and not just another midi track. Sheesh! I feel like this is all left over bad code from the original cakewalk software. When a virtual instrument was general midi.

Ok, I know, it's confusing.
 
Originally I was annoyed because my cloned track would share the original's effects bin, but now I realized that my cloned track IS the original track. I thought it would clone the instrument and I could change things. Now I realize that when I clone an instrument track, it is just makes a second midi track. If I change the parameters on the 2nd instrument track, it changes it on the first. 
 
So basically my question is changed to:
 
How do I clone an instrument (not a track), keeping all parameters the same and not have it be linked to the original?
 
Example:
I create a instance of dimension pro. I try to clone that track. Every parameter is linked to the original. I change a preset on one track, it changes it on the other. Everything is linked, but midi data.
 
So say I create 20 clones of the same virtual instrument track. Only one instrument will show up in the synth rack view. This is the view on the right side under synth. It says media/plugins/synth. (it might be hidden)(click the 2 arrows to unhide it.)
 
I want to be able to clone a synth in the synth rack view. There is no way to do this. (That I know of.)
 
I found the preset workaround. I just think it's a huge hassle.
 
 

Hmm, I see where you're coming from.
 
You should go and put in a feature request.
http://www.cakewalk.com/s...ct/featurerequest.aspx
 
Do you use track templates ?.
That's also a big time saver. Don't know if they would be a help for you here, you might find using presets works just as well for you, or better.
 
Being able to just 'copy' a synth with all it's settings in the synth rack could be quite useful.
Maybe something like the way you can already <ctrl> drag effects from one bin to another with all it's setting.
 
Cheers - Cliff

I learned the hard way to save things like multi-racks in Kontakt, because if you ever have to install Kontakt again (loss of OS, maintenance of Kontakt, etc.), you may well lose any unsaved settings.
 
The above DID happen to me, and I had to reconstruct the loaded instruments and all settings, for multiple instances of Kontakt, in multiple projects.  QUITE the pain in the afterburner.
 
So, ever since that grand adventure, when I create any multi-rack in any instance of Kontakt, I create a text file with relevant details, and/or save the multi-rack as a preset, in a new Kontakt Multi-Racks sub-folder of the project folder.
 
I DO think a feature request is a GREAT idea, as well.
 
Bob Bone