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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/28 10:33:34 (permalink)
Thank you, Sir Les.  I was finally able to see your posted photos above.  (to the original poster, please forgive me lumping this particular post into your thread, the power management parameter settings discussion overlaps from a prior thread Sir Les had posted, so when he posted here on those, I wanted to thank him for staying with trying to get his screen shots posted - which had been a frustration for him).
 
So, Sir Les, as I had indicated, I had NO idea that for whatever reason those parameters were not showing up on your system, as I had always found it - AND I had double-checked on both a Windows 7 system that I had, AND I had looked it up on the web and found the same parameters on another post about Windows 7.
 
I have been very careful since then to make sure I do not universally represent that those parameters are always present, since they obviously are not.  
 
There were some exchanges in that thread that got a bit testy, largely between you and Alex, although you and I had some frustrating moments as well.  I would hope that you keep whatever your thoughts about your exchanges with Alex separate from any of the back and forth that you and I had.
 
Thank you for taking the time to get things posted to confirm that on SOME systems, those parameters do exist, and that on SOME systems, they do not.  I currently have no explanation for that, and had not encountered that prior to my involvement with trying to help you in your thread.
 
I WILL be trying to figure out WHY that is the way it is with those settings, and will let you know if I ever DO figure it out.
 
 I TRULY hope your system gets stabilized - I don't want to get your thread and this one intertwined, so will try to limit my end of that, except for the overlap as we have had on this particular couple of Power Management settings, as I need to be fair to the original poster here, but I did want to post the above, as it does relate between the two threads, because I wanted to thank you for getting those screen shots posted (and the link works if you just take its innards and paste it into a new tab), and because I wanted to try to separate myself from comments made between you and Alex from comments made between you and I.
 
@Five0SixBand - thanks again for forgiving my lumping in the above into your thread.  :)
 
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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/28 10:53:56 (permalink)
Hey Sir Les, if you want to use that iframe embed from Skydrive (is the way to get it to embed in a forum like this, otherwise you just get a link), you need to do it in HTML mode.  That mode is only in the "full version" of the forum editor, so if you are using the Quick Reply at the bottom of the forum, you need to click open full version.  Then, once there, click the HTML button, then paste the iframe code in there and update.  If you just post the HTML in main text body, it will show up like it did in your post since the forum software doesn't realize that you are posting HTML, where the HTML mode is aware.
 
You can fix the one you have up there, I think, by editing your post, cutting the iframe from the body, going to HTML mode, and pasting it back in there.
 
Hope this helps.
 
BTW: in Internet Explorer 11, it doesn't appear to work in the post/preview.  I imagine it would work once submitted, but I didn't test that.  Chrome did the preview fine.

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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/28 11:35:52 (permalink)
oK...I Do not see a option in the windows update, as all I see is "windows is up to date" " Get updates for other Microsoft products". "View history" "Change settings" 'Control panel Home" "updates:  FAQ."...if there is a tab I have no idea how to get to the page You are referencing if no updates are there for me.....I know when updates are available there is a different pane that opens, and I can select the ones necessary ,or optional ones, and I have seen the optional page in past updates, and as I do update...I have downloaded all system updates required or mentioned in those panes / pages that are system specific...unless I feel they are redundant...Like Microsoft essentials, and internet explorer, and defender updates...So This tweak Alex mentions, has gone unknown till now, and I have to google something, download, and install to get it to show?...If the setting in Bios is set to all cores active...does this make the tweak redundant?...or does windows 7 pro fully updated bypass  Bios settings/tweaks these days?

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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/28 11:40:01 (permalink)
" /> The sabertooth system power management snapshot...no power management for cpu or %
 
Using PHOTOBUCKET...skydrive by Microsoft will not work here on these forums from what I have been doing...it seems to work with PB.

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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/28 11:44:23 (permalink)
Sir Les
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<iframe src="https://skydrive.live.com/embed?cid=D8165C5C2F47E451&resid=D8165C5C2F47E451%21111&authkey=AF7wI-yKprp54nU" width="320" height="200" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>
 
 
This is the link to the photo of the sabertooth system showing non of Bob's Nor Alex's references...I can not get the photo to work yet from sky drive...But this link should take you there to the photo without log in.


I can see the image now.  You seem to be missing some options as you said
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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/28 11:50:39 (permalink)
No worries Bob...I like learning...But..sometimes it gets into frantic states, when things start crashing and burning out, and sometimes heated thoughts get transmitted in error or ignorance ...when going in circles for so long as I have been,..one tends to flip out on little things said or done or implied...I meant no disrespect in our passages uttered..I only wanted to get things working quickly, so I could continue working on my 2xa projects which x3c sabotaged...well that is now put on hold...new things, new learning...and I do read the forums....So...here I am....blessings and mead in hand...looking forward to a new build soon...and hopefully help will not be necessary...but may come somewhere down up the road...wink
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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/28 12:02:08 (permalink)
Yes Bob .BUT... If people are being asked to TWEAK.. turn something on or off or change the % and you direct them to something that is not there for some....it could cause hair to fall out or worse....and I have little left of that hair, and wish to retain what is left...burnt or otherwise...LOL..So when this sort of direction is uttered mindlessly to others who have no experience, and the same view as I,...I will dance the dance, I dance....just to keep things in the real states of some, but not all...and I will tie things to it, to make sure, the ones being directed to do, might not find it as mentioned...if not applying Alex's fix...which I still do not know what to google for to get it......So they can rest assured it's not their eyes playing tricks or being knowing all and not following direction right...ect.

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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/28 12:36:24 (permalink)
Hey all - for what's worth, it seems that if you are in "high performance" mode, the 100% setting is automatically set as the minimum and maximum.  You can actually find the real settings for this at a command prompt if you are not convinced - I just checked this on my Windows 8.1 (x64) system and the setting is not there for me either but when checking in the cmd details, I see that it's set for full min and max.
 
I've also read that this option would be unavailable if you have Hyper-V enabled - which I hope you don't, as this will acutally cause your "actual" system to run as a Virtual Machine within Hyper-V as well as any additional VMs you might have setup.
 
Hope this helps.

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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/28 12:56:40 (permalink)
Hyper V? VM?...I turned off Virtual tech and such in Bios...does this hidden setting need to be tweaked in windows?
 
What do you type in? cmd?

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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/28 14:03:03 (permalink)
Sir Les - sorry for the jargon.  Here's an article where it's explained.  warning - it's a bit cryptic: Microsoft Power Options Article
 
Here are the instructions from that article:

It might be worth showing your full power scheme to the world:
- Open an Administrative command prompt (Right click start area, Command Prompt (Admin))
- Type PowerCfg /l - This will give a command line list of all your power schemas.
- The active schema will have a * at the end of it's entry: Make a note of the long number that schema has
- Type PowerCfg -query [Long Number you made a note of] >> "%UserProfile%\Desktop\PowerScheme.txt"
- On your desktop, there should be a notepad file called PowerScheme.txt - Open this file, copy the entire contents, and past it into a post. We can all have a look and try to see what's going on with you.
To Help you out, this is what my PowerCfg /l gave me:
Existing Power Schemes (* Active)
-----------------------------------
Power Scheme GUID: 381b4222-f694-41f0-9685-ff5bb260df2e  (Balanced) *
Power Scheme GUID: 8c5e7fda-e8bf-4a96-9a85-a6e23a8c635c  (High performance)
Power Scheme GUID: a1841308-3541-4fab-bc81-f71556f20b4a  (Power saver)
And this is what I typed in for the next line:
PowerCfg -query 381b4222-f694-41f0-9685-ff5bb260df2e >> "%UserProfile%\Desktop\PowerScheme.txt"
In perticular, it will be intresting to see if your config has the Minimum processor state and Maximum processor state section. An example section is:
    Power Setting GUID: 893dee8e-2bef-41e0-89c6-b55d0929964c  (Minimum processor state)
      Minimum Possible Setting: 0x00000000
      Maximum Possible Setting: 0x00000064
      Possible Settings increment: 0x00000001
      Possible Settings units: %
    Current AC Power Setting Index: 0x00000005
    Current DC Power Setting Index: 0x00000005
    Power Setting GUID: bc5038f7-23e0-4960-96da-33abaf5935ec  (Maximum processor state)
      Minimum Possible Setting: 0x00000000
      Maximum Possible Setting: 0x00000064
      Possible Settings increment: 0x00000001
      Possible Settings units: %
    Current AC Power Setting Index: 0x00000064
    Current DC Power Setting Index: 0x00000064

 
If you look, you will see the Minimum and Maximum processor state sections that show values.  64 is max.
 
As far as Hyper-V: it's for virtual machines.  The BIOS setting and the Windows setting are related where the windows settings relies on the BIOS setting to work properly.  You can go to the Windows control panel and look for the option to show what Windows features are enabled.  Hyper-V would be one of them.  If it's enabled, disable it.  If not, don't worry about it.  What I was saying above about the actual computer being a virtual machine is that once Hyper-V is enabled, the actual system being used becomes a virtual machine, hosted by the Hyper-V system within the computer.  This allows you to create multiple "containers" for multiple virtual machines (VMs) so you could run multiple operating systems within the same system (without dual boot).  It's really nice for some things, but for systems that a resource intensive, it's probably not a good idea to enable.  For standard operations, like Office software and the like, you probably wouldn't notice a performance difference, but for Gaming, Audio, Video, etc, it's less efficient at some level.
 
I hope this helps clear it up for you (and maybe others)...

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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/28 14:41:36 (permalink)
Thanks Blades...I do not want to hijack this thread..but, as we are on the topic, I must say thanks for your additional contributions to enlighten us.
 
This PowerCfg -query comes up and lists in the dos prompt...I am not able to get it to write a txt file to my desktop...at this point...but I will read in and find out how to.
Thing is this system I am on, is not my audio recording system...and it is taken apart, and awaiting new stuff which got toasted using a new powersupply from corsair...they are now inspecting the parts, and if they conclude their supply caused my failure of the new parts...They will buy me new parts...So I am waiting...and waiting..Sorry for the delays...And asap I will revise my Posted meaded thread of dread.....and new specs if need be.
 
No vM or Hyper anything installed or features running...check.

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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/28 15:25:57 (permalink)
PowerCfg -query [Long Number you made a note of] >> "%UserProfile%\Desktop\PowerScheme.txt"

 
It's the >> then the path that creates the file instead of just listing out in the cmd window.  So if you put >> c:\myfile.txt at the end after the long GUI number, it would create a text file at the root of your c: drive called myfile.txt.
 
Hope that helps.

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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/29 00:45:37 (permalink)
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You don't play all those instruments simultaneously do you?
Rarely
It seems more like you want everything permanently connected
Yes, I need my set up to be stable for me but plenty of room for expansion & versatility for sessions.

in which case you'd be better off with using your best interface together with some AD converters. I have an RME FF800 and can connect 28 audio channels simultaneously just by using 2 ADAT devices for additional input. Only. 1 driver and 1 device as far as my DAW is concerned
Makes sense but I have my set the way I want it in an environment that is conducive to  creating for me. 
I just wanna work with the gear I have. A buddy brought over his logic based system we installed the drivers of all 3 interfaces made some test projects and seemed to work flawlessly. Like I've said before this configuration worked in X2.... They say when things are working leave them alone. Just starting to regret upgrading to X3

You will need to connect all your clock I/O so that all devices are synchronized. There is still no guarantee that each device's drivers will let them cooperate fully. All drivers are not created equal. Sometimes the WDM/KS drivers are OK, however, in most cases, ASIO drivers are the most stable and generally preferred for providing lower latency.
I've always used WDM drivers have always heard ASIO were more stable but because they're limiting. If you can only use one driver stability would most likely be a certainty. I have a word clock for any syncing issues.




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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/29 02:17:50 (permalink)
506,
I used to try and have everything always live on dedicated channels with several interfaces, but ran into similar issues a few years back. I have now simplified down to a 'staged' approach. 
 
I have an in-rack mixer (Behringer pro 8 channel) and patch panel Behringer 24x2 with per channel half/full/thru normalling) that allows me to swap instruments in and out easily (using half-normals on the patch panel) with my 'main' setup always patched through. I use my Saffire Pro 40 for the main stuff, but it's back panel is also brought out to a front panel that I made up. I also have 8 ADAT channels (in an actual ADAT that I only use the A/D converters) running into the ADAT input on the saffire for extra channels. My Mackie mixer feeds those. For MIDI, I use a single channel and I'm just anal about using the sub-channels...I typically have 4 of 5 MIDI input devices, but they are all coded to a unique channel and I just connect them in/out/thru. That way, I can have up to 16 soft-synths...each on unique channels.  
 
With this setup and ASIO driver I can run a lot of stuff...a couple of synths, bass player, a miked drum kit, several vocals, a saxophone, etc...and track live. Then I can singletrack over the live recordings in the polish mode. 
 
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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/29 07:27:21 (permalink)
Thanks Blades...I'm going into my Bios for a hunt on this internet machine, to see if, >>as Alex mentions<< something about cores in power management I do not see, and you saying something about Hyper v and vm causing things to be hidden in power management...(condition which I have)..and Bios settings untweaked being the cause of these settings not being in a normal state of showing.
I know I  usually turn off the speed step, and I also turn off the v-tech and virtual machine thingy in all my systems...But I will double check this machine, with the enlightened instructions to dig through all the bios settings to make sure I did not forget something that is inhibiting the showing of them core settings!.
 
Thanks for the how to copy the txt...I did try to get it to the desktop a few times...but failed ..My dos book is on the shelf...I guess I should pull it out, Ask for help on how to get this power management showing all settings?...as the posted link has that very question at the end of the thread you put up for US all...
 
 

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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/29 08:43:52 (permalink)
 
Maybe the power management options shown are only those that the computer's configuration make available (number of cores, SpeedStep, etc.)
 
For example, I have no screen brightness option in my desktop's power management settings.

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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/29 13:30:11 (permalink)
No to go totally OT, and maybe it's a laptop vs. desktop thing, but my DAW is (and has been) running Win7 64 SP1 with absolutely no updates whatsoever.  This is just to say that having the latest Windows updates is not an absolute requirement to run SONAR, at least not under all conditions (such as an older Q9300 machine).
 

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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/29 20:53:24 (permalink)
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I used to try and have everything always live on dedicated channels with several interfaces, but ran into similar issues a few years back. I have now simplified down to a 'staged' approach. 

I completely understand & can appreciate that. It works for you. Unfortunately we all do not have the same needs & intentions.
 
I have an in-rack mixer (Behringer pro 8 channel) and patch panel Behringer 24x2 with per channel half/full/thru normalling) that allows me to swap instruments in and out easily (using half-normals on the patch panel) with my 'main' setup always patched through. I use my Saffire Pro 40 for the main stuff, but it's back panel is also brought out to a front panel that I made up. I also have 8 ADAT channels (in an actual ADAT that I only use the A/D converters) running into the ADAT input on the saffire for extra channels. My Mackie mixer feeds those. For MIDI, I use a single channel and I'm just anal about using the sub-channels...I typically have 4 of 5 MIDI input devices, but they are all coded to a unique channel and I just connect them in/out/thru. That way, I can have up to 16 soft-synths...each on unique channels.  
 
 Nice set up you got. For me It is very frustrating that this set up worked with X2 but will not with X3.
 
Not trying to start a fight...just putting a thought out there...


No offense taken at all... Honestly I appreciate everyone's pov. I'm learning alot. Seems it's the software & windows drivers not my system? My objective is to have my set up the way I imagine it but it's looking less likely with Windows. I was warned to switch to Mac & logic when I was upgrading my PC. You know what they say about a hard head.




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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/29 21:03:18 (permalink)
The "don't run windows update" philosophy is pretty much old skool now. It stems from back in the day when MS update would regularly cock up and slow down your machine. Nowadays that certainly isn't true, maybe once in a while a dirty patch comes in but MS is generally pretty quick to react...And I stress this is now rare as Microsoft have got their quality control nailed in.
 
The fact is nowadays Windows update is far more useful running (when convenient to the user) than not running at all, and in fact it bring in performance increases (not like years ago where it was the other way around). Only about 3 months ago for instance we got some USB patches. In the last two years I've probably had one dodgy patch which MS immediately rolled back 48 hours later.
 
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Re: Tweaking your system?? 2013/12/29 23:17:23 (permalink)
I really would really love to hear from some people who use WDM/KS with Sonar X3D successfully.  

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