Can I Boot My New Dell 8700 From My Old Dell 400 HDD Running XP SP3

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2013/12/19 22:50:12 (permalink)

Can I Boot My New Dell 8700 From My Old Dell 400 HDD Running XP SP3

Ok, so my old Dell 400 died. The Hard drive is still good but it has XP SP3 on it. Plus, I've got a few old school VST's and programs that aren't going to run on Windows 8.1. So, I thought I'd put it in my new Dell 8700 and boot from it from time to time if I need to work on an old project using an old program or VST. Can I boot an XP HDD on this computer?

Also, I'd like to be able to select which drive to boot from at start up. What is the best way to make that happen?
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    samson7842
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    Re: Can I Boot My New Dell 8700 From My Old Dell 400 HDD Running XP SP3 2013/12/19 23:09:22 (permalink)
    BTW, here are the specs for my desktop:

    -- Dell Outlet XPS 8700
    -- 120V Power Cord
    -- Processor: Intel Core 4th Generation i7-4770 Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.9 GHz)
    -- 460 Watt Power supply Black
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    -- 32 GB SSDR mSATA Full Card
    -- Windows 64 Bit
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    -- Windows 8
    -- 2TB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive 6.0 Gb/s

    Thanks guys!

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    Re: Can I Boot My New Dell 8700 From My Old Dell 400 HDD Running XP SP3 2013/12/20 03:39:00 (permalink)
    Maybe it will boot and load windows and maybe not. 
     
    From the viewpoint of the OS version installed on your old hard drive, the only thing that has changed is the hardware. If your old version of XP has the basic drivers to interact with the new motherboard and peripherals, it may boot, and load appropriate drivers. If not then Windows may fail to load or run. A general installation of XP from a retail CD might have loaded and saved unused drivers to the HD. That is much less likely if the OS version came from Dell, as they would have no reason to include drivers for any other hardware than the computer they sold you.  The Dell version was never meant to be used on another computer.
     
    A clean installation on the new computer would be preferable if you really need to run XP, but finding installation media and a license for XP now is really problematic.
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    Re: Can I Boot My New Dell 8700 From My Old Dell 400 HDD Running XP SP3 2013/12/20 03:50:51 (permalink)
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    Maybe it will boot and load windows and maybe not. 
     
    From the viewpoint of the OS version installed on your old hard drive, the only thing that has changed is the hardware. If your old version of XP has the basic drivers to interact with the new motherboard and peripherals, it may boot, and load appropriate drivers. If not then Windows may fail to load or run. A general installation of XP from a retail CD might have loaded and saved unused drivers to the HD. That is much less likely if the OS version came from Dell, as they would have no reason to include drivers for any other hardware than the computer they sold you.  The Dell version was never meant to be used on another computer.
     
    A clean installation on the new computer would be preferable if you really need to run XP, but finding installation media and a license for XP now is really problematic.


    Thanks for the reply.

    The XP instillation on the HD is a general installation from a retail CD. Actually, it's from a PC builder's instal CD. It's XP Pro (guess I should have included that info originally. Sorry.)

    I could do a clean instal. But, gawd, I have an awful lot of stuff. I'll be all week getting everything set up again. But, if that's what I have to do, then I'll do it.

    Once again, thanks for the info.

    Lateef

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    Re: Can I Boot My New Dell 8700 From My Old Dell 400 HDD Running XP SP3 2013/12/20 06:19:19 (permalink)
    It may boot but I doubt that it will run very well.  If you just want to get user data off of it, connect it and then just copy from that drive to wherever you want the user data.  You can't copy programs as they must be installed.   There are no Dell supplied Windows XP drivers for the 8700 and probably won't be able to find them for most devices.
     
    Best option is to "bite the bullet" and install what you want on the new PC, providing the old XP software is compatible.  I know it is a hassle, but really the best way.   

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    Re: Can I Boot My New Dell 8700 From My Old Dell 400 HDD Running XP SP3 2013/12/22 21:18:42 (permalink)
    Not sure if the 400 is a Latitude, Dimension, XPS? I'm thinking it's more likely than not that if XP is on it, it will be an IDE interface for the HD and the new Dell will be SATA, if that is the case than you can't physically connect an IDE HD to a SATA interface. You can get an adapter for that, but a really bad idea IMO.
     
    Also agree with the others even if it would work, a very bad idea.  If there is just data you need from that you can get one of these http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l2632.R2.TR8.TRC1.A0.Xide+to+usb+ad&_nkw=ide+to+usb+adapter&_sacat=31491&_from=R40
     
    If you just hate Win 8,  since you have a dell, an OEM version of Win 7 should be reasonable in price http://www.wize.com/recommend/windows%207%20oem%20versions
    post edited by ohgrant - 2013/12/22 22:08:58

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    Re: Can I Boot My New Dell 8700 From My Old Dell 400 HDD Running XP SP3 2013/12/22 23:23:22 (permalink)
    Sorry, should have been more precise in my original post. It's an XPS 400 and the drives in it are SATA. Heck, I just bought them early last year. I hope what I want to do will work. I have Stienberg's Virtual Guitar on that XP HDD and I don't want go without it. Nor, after buying the new Dell and an audio interface, can I afford new virtual guitar software. Not to mention all the other archaic VST's I have that won't run on 8.1 ... ever. ...lol

    I don't have a problem with Windows 8.1. The PC won't arrive until tomorrow. So, outside of my Dell Venue 8 Pro tablet, I don't have any experience with 8.1. It seems like a definite step up from XP, though.

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    Re: Can I Boot My New Dell 8700 From My Old Dell 400 HDD Running XP SP3 2013/12/22 23:56:56 (permalink)
    You can hook it up as a secondary drive and access the library from your new OS. You will need to reinstall the Steinberg software in Win 8. I'm not sure how that is protected, I am thinking a USB device? If that is the case, it should be no issue.
     
     
    As a boot drive, doubtful it will work at all and if it did, most of those old authorizations will detect new hardware and need to be reauthorized anyway.
     
     If you want to try it anyway... if the 400 is still running. Uninstall all drivers for hardware that will not be present in the new system including motherboard chipset drivers, you can simply remove those from the device mgr before final shutdown. Install drive in new system....pray. Good luck
     
     
     
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    Re: Can I Boot My New Dell 8700 From My Old Dell 400 HDD Running XP SP3 2013/12/23 00:17:28 (permalink)
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    ... and a license for XP now is really problematic.




    This could be a showstopper. The license registered in XP is linked to the machine ID of your old computer.
    XP will recognize that is it not running on the correct machine, and will most likely shut down immediately.
    When I replaced the CPU on my old XP computer, I ran into this. The machine ID is tied to the CPU. At the time, XP was actively supported, and moving the license to the "new" machine was easy enough.
    I don't know if it's even possible to get a new license for XP at this point in time.
     
    As for VST's, many of the older 32 bit VST's can be bridged.
    I kept the original zip files of all of my downloaded VST's on my data drive in the XP machine. That drive is now in an external enclosure($20 from NewEgg), and moving these and project data to  my newer computer has been relatively smooth.
    And Cakewalk provides links to download a fresh copy of all the VST's I have from them. Does Steinberg offer that as well?
    Also, when you load an old project, Sonar will tell you what effects/VST's are missing. You should be able to find something that is currently available to replace the ones that just will not work anymore.
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    Re: Can I Boot My New Dell 8700 From My Old Dell 400 HDD Running XP SP3 2013/12/23 22:50:10 (permalink)
    Hey guys. Decided to bite the bullet and do a fresh instal. It'll be a pain but it will also force me to delve deeper into the tools that come with Sonar and a couple of other programs I own.

    Once again, thanks for your input. I would have wasted a lot of time trying to make something work that never would have anyway.

    Merry X-mas, everyone!

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    Re: Can I Boot My New Dell 8700 From My Old Dell 400 HDD Running XP SP3 2013/12/24 12:40:40 (permalink)
    No problem my friend Merry Christmas to you too.
     
    Great to see you around Bob, Merry Christmas brother

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    Re: Can I Boot My New Dell 8700 From My Old Dell 400 HDD Running XP SP3 2013/12/24 20:41:12 (permalink)
    Merry Christmas Grant and Lateef.
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