Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO?

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May 13, 06 7:29 PM (permalink)

Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO?

Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? and what's the differnce?
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    Richard Brian
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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? May 13, 06 7:55 PM (permalink)
    They're just different designs for getting the audio application communicating with the hardware. One is a Windows design, and ASIO is a Steinberg design.

    How well the driver is written determines which format works best with Sonar. Some soundcards work better with one or the other.
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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? May 13, 06 8:06 PM (permalink)
    Like Richard says, with the caveat that all other things being equal, personally I use WDM for a number of reasons:

    1. I can adjust latency settingsetc from the Sonar Options->Audio db
    2. It seems to work better for me with two or more programs open at once (eg Sonar and Adobe Audition). I'm very happy to concede however that my inability to do this so well with ASIO might well be due to my own stupidity ... but I still prefer the easier option!
    3. It supports multiple sound cards ... again, maybe this is possible with ASIO, but for a renowned technophobe like me, well I haven't figured it out. Happily I don't need to because of WDM.

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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? May 13, 06 8:56 PM (permalink)
    I have a ESI Audiotrak MAYA 1010 - the problem I am having with the ASIO drivers I cannot get the output to rout properly
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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? May 13, 06 9:45 PM (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: tommyp

    Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? and what's the differnce?



    I think its a matter of your set up and hardware that your useing. Some set ups and hard ware work better with asio while others work better with WDM --- try both of them and experiment too see which one works best with your system. PC's are like that. You have to find what works best with your set up....... wdm may be great for one persons machine and not with anothers and visa versa with asio.....

    I should chime in that with my set up with wdm drivers work like crap -- no matter what... I can't get ride of drop outs and crack and pops no matter the buffer size or latancy, -- asio runs very smooth and I have very very few problems --- unless I push my PC above its limits....some one else it may be the opposite --- any minute someone will chime in and say wdm is the way to go -- just watch

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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? May 14, 06 7:04 AM (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: glazfolk

    3. It supports multiple sound cards ... again, maybe this is possible with ASIO, ....

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    No, it is not... ASIO, by design, only supports a single driver at a time.

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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? May 14, 06 7:42 AM (permalink)
    I have two cards one works better with one, one with the other, I using wdm now, since I changed computer, but it used to work better with asio on my old computer, Im using the Tascam FW1884 with wdm, the other is a luna II its not installed but I used asio for it, on the old computer the Tascam worked better with Asio
    post edited by ustudio - May 14, 06 7:53 AM
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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? May 14, 06 8:59 AM (permalink)
    On my older machine I used WDM. However, on a new(er) (about 2 1/2 years old now) machine the ASIO works better. Good advice to try them both (if you access to them both) and see which one works best for you.

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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? May 14, 06 9:38 AM (permalink)
    I can't use ASIO on my Delta 44 at 24 bit - I have posted a bunch in the past regarding this - ASIO is always my choice for tracking - WDM or ASIO is fine in post - IMHO

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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? May 14, 06 12:32 AM (permalink)
    I use ASIO. mainly because the tascam drivers have an infintely better ASIO implementation, the WDM implementation is no where near s fast.

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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? May 14, 06 1:02 PM (permalink)
    on my system, ASIO has generally provided better latencies....... but multiple interface support or WDM is a must...

    so being that I need the multi cards, WDM is better. If I couldn't live with the higher latencies, ASIO would be better.

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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? May 14, 06 2:56 PM (permalink)
    I've been using ASIO for ages, right back to when I was using a Celeron 2.4 setup, but since going dual-core I've had nothing but dropouts galore, so think it's time I gave WDM a go. No idea if either driver works better depending of chip styles though.

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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? May 15, 06 1:44 PM (permalink)
    With an Apogee Rosetta 800 using their Firewire interface, the ASIO drivers worked very well - WDM was not very good (latency-wise). I just added an RME Fireface 800 (The Rosetta goes into the RME via lightpipe), and the RME ASIO drivers were just about useless, but the WDM drivers work VERY VERY well. (can I add another VERY to that ?) So go figure ? This is on the same system, but note, the Apogee drivers were NOT removed. I also elected to delete the AUD.INI file, etc. etc. to clean out any crap that might have built up in there.

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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? August 01, 08 9:42 AM (permalink)
    I've just got an ESI MAYA 44 PCI, and Sonar (6HSXL) refuses to start when in ASIO mode, even when using the latest drivers from ESI.

    I changed to WDM mode and it runs fine!

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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? August 01, 08 11:54 AM (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Mooch4056

    I should chime in that with my set up with wdm drivers work like crap -- no matter what... I can't get ride of drop outs and crack and pops no matter the buffer size or latancy, -- asio runs very smooth and I have very very few problems --- unless I push my PC above its limits....some one else it may be the opposite --- any minute someone will chime in and say wdm is the way to go -- just watch


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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? August 01, 08 1:21 PM (permalink)
    As others have mentioned, it depends on the audio interface...
    Some have better ASIO drivers... some have better WDM/KS drivers
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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? August 01, 08 1:34 PM (permalink)
    I have found that it can vary by system and by driver both. Try both. I have generally had better results with WDM with my M-Audio devices, but a couple of times ASIO has proved more stable--my laptop started out with WDM best for my FW410 and, over time (same drivers), changed its mind!
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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? August 01, 08 1:36 PM (permalink)
    RME ASIO drivers were just about useless


    Interesting - I use the latest RME ASIO drivers and haven't had a problem with them.

    Can you elaborate a bit on 'useless'? What WDM settings are you using? Out of the box, WDM was set with the RME and I had a much more difficult time dialing down the latency than with ASIO.

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    RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? August 01, 08 1:38 PM (permalink)
    I have been using RME drivers since like 2000 or so without a hiccup. There was a while that they had a special Sonar patch, I think. But that was like 5 years ago.

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    Re: RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? January 19, 14 8:45 AM (permalink)
    hy Guys, 
    what do you think about this answer :
    "WDM gives you the full fidelity of the recording while ASIO allows for lower latency, but with lower fidelity."

    waiting for your comment :)
     

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    Re: RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? January 19, 14 12:38 AM (permalink)
    I think you pondered that way too long

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    Re: RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? January 19, 14 2:42 PM (permalink)
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    3. It supports multiple sound cards ... again, maybe this is possible with ASIO, ....

    Best,
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    No, it is not... ASIO, by design, only supports a single driver at a time.

    Ciao,

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    Glazfolk specificly wrote he uses WDM because it supports multiple soundcards.

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    Re: RE: Which works better for Sonar WDM or ASIO? January 19, 14 3:01 PM (permalink)
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    3. It supports multiple sound cards ... again, maybe this is possible with ASIO, ....

    Best,
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    No, it is not... ASIO, by design, only supports a single driver at a time.

    Ciao,

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    Glazfolk specificly wrote he uses WDM because it supports multiple soundcards.


    It is just as true today as it was 8 years ago when it was written.
    post edited by scook - January 19, 14 3:04 PM
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