Running Sonar X3 on a Mac with simultaneous Logic

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2014/01/29 12:00:55 (permalink)

Running Sonar X3 on a Mac with simultaneous Logic

I'm running Sonar X3 on a very powerful MacPro in Parallels/Windows 8. Does anyone know how to port the output into i.e. Logic simultaneously running on a Mac, as well as midi control?  I've done this easily on separate machines. What I would like to know now is how to link Sonar X3 with Logic running on the same machine.  Any ideas?
I am able to run either one, or switch between them but only in the active window. Is there any way to synch them?
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    Re: Running Sonar X3 on a Mac with simultaneous Logic 2014/01/29 12:03:38 (permalink)
    The only thread I could find on these forums:
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Anyone-Using-Sonar-on-Mac-via-Bootcamp-or-Parallels-m988070.aspx
     

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    Re: Running Sonar X3 on a Mac with simultaneous Logic 2014/01/29 13:38:10 (permalink)
    As an owner of multiple MacBook Pro machines, Hackintosh user, and general lover of complex solutions, I have tiptoed down the path that you're planning to explore.
     
    I have run Win7x64 as a guest OS under Mac OSX (both Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion) using VMware, and I've run Snow Leopard as a guest OS under Win7x64 using VirtualBox.  In both configurations I succumbed to the temptation to invoke a DAW within the guest virtual machine while running another DAW in the host/native environment. 
     
    The upshot of my experience is that this isn't a useful or stable way to do audio. The central issues seem to be related to the timing/latency problems of a virtualized physical port. There's no equivalent of 'bridging' that hypervisors can use for network interfaces to handle the tight bond that drivers would need to handle firewire and USB ports. Therefore, audio streams (and MIDI streams to a lesser extent) coming in via USB have a particularly ugly data path because the half-duplex USB hardware gets managed by an asynchronously dispatched virtual machine. 
     
    I don't want to be Debbie Downer for you (my friends think I'm a painfully optimistic person in general) but the close marriage of the DAW with the audio/MIDI I/O, along with the close timings needed for reliable read/write to the disk/SSD argue for using conventional methods of running parallel DAWs. 
     
    One thing I didn't try is the use of an Ethernet-based 'sound card' feeding the guest OS, while a conventional firewire/USB 'sound card' feeds the host/native DAW. In that way, you might circumvent the typical problems that the hypervisor throws in your way, while linking the two DAWs externally via the 'sound card' hardware. That, along with a regular MIDI splitter feeding the disparate inputs may be a way forward.
     
    Grr…you've got me thinking about this again…!
     
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    Re: Running Sonar X3 on a Mac with simultaneous Logic 2014/01/29 15:04:59 (permalink)
    When researching parallels to run sonar on a mac I discovered that it would only allow 2 gigs of ram for windows and sonar, there for not really useable to do any real work.
     
    Is this no longer the case? Have they updated it maybe?
     
     

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    Re: Running Sonar X3 on a Mac with simultaneous Logic 2014/03/26 09:32:20 (permalink)
    I have X3 in parallels on an '08 mac pro, but the unit has gone south for now; I am going to reinstall the setup on my late '12 mini with upgraded memory and ssd's. I had no luck plugging my impulse directly for sonar; I believe that I will have to use the fast track interface. I want to get sonar going and be able to import an export files with ableton 9 suite. I am still very green and will welcome any and all advice/comments for assistance.
     
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    Re: Running Sonar X3 on a Mac with simultaneous Logic 2014/03/26 18:38:48 (permalink)
    GaryMediaOne thing I didn't try is the use of an Ethernet-based 'sound card' feeding the guest OS, while a conventional firewire/USB 'sound card' feeds the host/native DAW. In that way, you might circumvent the typical problems that the hypervisor throws in your way, while linking the two DAWs externally via the 'sound card' hardware. That, along with a regular MIDI splitter feeding the disparate inputs may be a way


    Ok, what if you had two NICs on the host machine. You assign the first NIC to the host OS and set up the virtual guest OS to use the second NIC. Would you then be able to use an Ethernet solution that would allow the DAW on the guest OS to communicate through your LAN to the host NIC/host DAW?

      
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    Re: Running Sonar X3 on a Mac with simultaneous Logic 2014/03/26 18:47:39 (permalink)
    I'm interested in what the purpose of this might be beyond a "can I do it" experiment (which I'm all for, by the way, I've done a bunch of them). It seems to me to be altogether more effort than gain.
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