looking for othe users of delta 1010 x 2(16 audio in)

getting metal tank sounding distortion. if reboot seem to go away sometimes after the reboot. i remember some time ago trying out older version of the driver just to make sure that i had the best one.( new does not always mean best ) i am using win 7 - 64 bit - sp 1 . so i uninstalled 510 5078 driver(so i thought) and reinstalled each card running 6.08 driver.(the one for service pack 1)    
    
 the ABOUT screen on the delta driver  says 6.08.
but in the device manager / sound video game controllers / delta 1010 / driver /  driver version (says) 5.10.0.5078
, which i believe is the older version. correct? why does the device manager say 5.10 5078 when the 6.08 driver is said to be
up and running? is it possible that this mix up is causing slight distortion sometimes unless reboot? thankx, mike
 
 
using asus i-5 , 8 gig , win 7 - 64 bit, sp1 , sonar x2a , 2(delta 1010s)

So you're using 2 of these. Have you tried getting one working and then add the second one. I don't think you can use ASIO mode with 2 soundcards so you have to use WDM mode. 

Hi - I am trying to assist another forum member, and is having similar problems.

He also has 2 Delta 1010 PCI interfaces.  One has the full breakout box, and the other one is I believe a 1010LT, or something like that.

That thread is: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=2830402&mpage=1#2836882

This is still unresolved, but you might as well join in the fun.

Bob Bone

Are you using the Word Clock ports to sync the 2 Delta 1010s? 

dave, i am using the spdif out of top card and into the bottom card. in the delta options menu i set the top as internal and the bottom as external. now my question is this, does word clock work better in the back? would that stop this metal distortion sounds?
     this morning went like this..... came out to studio, fired it all up. exact same control situation (except ice cold hardware) (last night breakout boxes got pretty warm with hours of use)  this thing works great. i mean great. 16 channels as quite as a whisper in the background.  could this be a heat issue??????

also of note .... this is the same distortion that i can create on purpose when i turn on the input echo, and have the pre amps way too high.... this also does this metal distortion.  reboot, turn pre's down... problem fixed. 

back to my original post. can anyone verify if the 6.08 driver shows up both ways in m-audio's ABOUT section and windows /control/ device mgn/ sounds n vid./ delta 1010 / driver ????? mine seems to be toggled to an old driver that i can't get out of the computer. don't know the system config stuff very well. to totally get rid of it out of the comptuer... tried reinstalling , and 6.08 only shows up on the delta about section. which tells me that that's what i am using, but windows is calling it the old driver name and number versions?

please help me....lol

Hi, I'm not saying this is your problem, but since the beginning of time capacitors have been known to go bad on Delta 1010 breakout boxes. Symptoms can vary, but eventually it becomes unusable. They used to give a lifetime warranty and people would just send the box in and get the caps replaced for free. I don't know if that's still the case. Just search google for "delta 1010 bad caps." Something to think about anyway if you can't find a solution.

I would try a single card and see if you get the failure. I realize you have been running the pair fine for years, but the best way to determine if it's hardware or software is to see if the "sound" follows one particular card. It's rare that both cards would have the exact same failure. Possible, but in practice rare.

Also+1 on the caps.
I had that problem with my Delta 66 and they replaced the card for me no questions asked. I was getting humming and popping noises though. Started intermittent and after a short while (like a week) went pretty much solid.

http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread.php?20587-Delta-1010-Recording-Distortion
 another thread... could this be speed script or c1 bios problems?

PJH


I'm having exactly the same issues running two Delta1010s. 

I did ask you if you had tried using the WDM drivers but you didn't respond.

I have tried everything that has been mentioned on the M Audio site (cpu throttling, changing BIOS settings etc with no luck.

My final resort was to go back to WDM and I haven't been able to reproduce the problem since.

I don't think that temperature has anything tp do with it. 

It sounds more like badly written ASIO drivers.

I'll stick with WDM from now on.

Hi Pete. What latency does wdm give you? Also, have you tried one prior driver release?



Bob Bone

robert_e_bone

PJH


I'm having exactly the same issues running two Delta1010s. 

I did ask you if you had tried using the WDM drivers but you didn't respond.

I have tried everything that has been mentioned on the M Audio site (cpu throttling, changing BIOS settings etc with no luck.

My final resort was to go back to WDM and I haven't been able to reproduce the problem since.

I don't think that temperature has anything tp do with it. 

It sounds more like badly written ASIO drivers.

I'll stick with WDM from now on.

Hi Pete. What latency does wdm give you? Also, have you tried one prior driver release?



Bob Bone

Hi Bob,


I can't give you actual numbers as the studio is all locked up at the moment but I can tell you that the latency was actually pretty good.


I can play soft synths etc in virtually real time with no hint of latency.

In fact the whole system seems very stable and is running well.

Hey, I might even make the jump to X2 now.

I didn't bother with a prior release because I went through the M Audio forums and could see that this is a problem that's been around for quite a while.  

Time will tell..... the problem with the distortion is that it is intermittent which make finding the solution even harder.

I have a big week ahead of me. We're shooting the third video for my own album and I'll be doing some mixing and tracking another project doing drums etc so we'll see how everything behaves.

I'll keep you posted.

Cheers, 

Peter.

Hi everyone:
I have been using 3 Delta 1010s for 30 channels out, 24 analogs and 6 via Spdif.
1. I am on Sonar X1, AMD 6 cores, and Giga MB, 64 bit Win 7. 
2. I use the WDM driver, and at 128 samples, I got 2.7ms, very comfortable to play soft synth.  I can also go down to 64 samples, and get like 1.3ms in latency.
 3. I have tried ASIO many times and there is absolutely no difference between the 2.
4. I never had to sync them via spdif. All 3 of mine have worked with internal sync for a long time now.
5. I finally bought a Lucid clock to sync them after reading on Gearsluts for the longest time.  I can tell you that:
5.a. no change to the sound at all.
5.b. but, and a big but, it seems to keep them sync together very well, because since I got the clock, things are very tight.  Maybe this is what members on GS have been hearing, and to them tighter means better.
5.c. before the clock, sometimes during the middle of the song, the kick and the bass got drifted away at a couple places during mix down, eventhough all the tracks timing are right on. And eventhough I always have the bass and the kick on the same card, for syncing matter.
5.d. yes I did try before the clock, syncing the 3 cards via Spdif, and the timing drift was still there. 
The distortion will stop from turning off stuff in the BIOS, like turbo and couple of other things that have been posted for 3 years now on the Delta 1010 forum.
You need to disable these things in order for the Delta 1010 to work good.
And finally, yes the Delta control panel says 6.08 while the device reports that it is 5.10.0.5078 .
dan

dan le


Hi everyone:
I have been using 3 Delta 1010s for 30 channels out, 24 analogs and 6 via Spdif.
1. I am on Sonar X1, AMD 6 cores, and Giga MB, 64 bit Win 7. 
2. I use the WDM driver, and at 128 samples, I got 2.7ms, very comfortable to play soft synth.  I can also go down to 64 samples, and get like 1.3ms in latency.
 3. I have tried ASIO many times and there is absolutely no difference between the 2.
4. I never had to sync them via spdif. All 3 of mine have worked with internal sync for a long time now.
5. I finally bought a Lucid clock to sync them after reading on Gearsluts for the longest time.  I can tell you that:
5.a. no change to the sound at all.
5.b. but, and a big but, it seems to keep them sync together very well, because since I got the clock, things are very tight.  Maybe this is what members on GS have been hearing, and to them tighter means better.
5.c. before the clock, sometimes during the middle of the song, the kick and the bass got drifted away at a couple places during mix down, eventhough all the tracks timing are right on. And eventhough I always have the bass and the kick on the same card, for syncing matter.
5.d. yes I did try before the clock, syncing the 3 cards via Spdif, and the timing drift was still there. 
The distortion will stop from turning off stuff in the BIOS, like turbo and couple of other things that have been posted for 3 years now on the Delta 1010 forum.
You need to disable these things in order for the Delta 1010 to work good.
And finally, yes the Delta control panel says 6.08 while the device reports that it is 5.10.0.5078 .
dan

You say that you used WDM drivers with your 1010s for years without problems. You then go on to mention that you experienced timing and synch issues. That doesn't sound like they were working correctly.


I have resorted to WDM(KS) and will test it in the next week. 


Making those BIOS changes do NOT fix the problem that we and a whole lot of others on the M Audio forum are having. M Audio is very conveniently "ignoring" these posts. They don't have an answer.


There are at least five posts with the same problem. None of them have been assisted. I have written to M Audio in the hope of a reply. None yet.


I do agree with you that there in no difference in sound between the two drivers. Latency for me also has not changed at all. The synch? Well I'll see this week.


But the point I'm trying to make here is that the problem that we're having is not as easy to fix as changing BIOS settings.

Hi everyone:
I am responding to the OP issue of distortion.
The syncing is another matter altogether. Everytime you have more than 1 device, I think you will need a clock. After all, you can pick up a clock used for no more than $350. So it is not like skyfall.
About the distortion, it might be the caps in the break out box. But before jumping to conclusion, let's do this:

1. Download another DAW under the full trial mode.  Reaper comes to my mind, because the program is short and fairly easy to use.
2. Try to record anything for like 30 minutes.  If you don't exprerience any noise, then it is not the Delta.
3. if you do have distortion, then it is either the driver or the Delta.
4. I can tell you for sure that the Delta driver, the last one is fairly good.
5. if it is not the breakout box, then take off 1 pci card and just use 1 Delta card and interchange between the 2 break out boxes. Record again with both Sonar, and the other DAW.
6. if you were on a 32 bit Win XP before and you had no problem, and now you are on Win 7 64 bit, then it is the driver as mentionned in the Delta forum.
7. lastly, it seems like people with AMD core like myself are having less problems with the Delta 1010. Strange but someone here (our forum) did mention it as well.

One thing I can tell you for sure that if it is the caps, you will always have noise. Not just once in a while. Caps don't make noise when cold, but after a while, they can do some real damage.

OK, and lastly, if it is the caps, then open the breakout box. facing towards you, on the left, there are like 7 or 8 caps at the power supply side. If you can replace them with Nichicon caps. Cost no more than 40 bucks. It will be good as new.

Follow this thread:

http://delta.brainiac.com/delta1010capfix.html
 
Before anyone gives up on the Delta 1010, I just want to let you know that even the folks at Black Lion Audio said that the built of the this box is actually very good.  They used to do a mod on the Delta 1010, but after the issues with the 64 bit driver, they stopped doing it, because people always blame them and not M-Audio for their finicky drivers.
Best.

dan le, are you able to use a higher sampling rate with all those cards or is 128  as high as it goes for that many pci ports? also do you ever over heat? and what is the spacing on that many delta 1010's?