Trouble Using Melodyne to Duplicate a Vocal Line

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2014/02/24 02:03:06 (permalink)

Trouble Using Melodyne to Duplicate a Vocal Line

Is anyone able to do what's shown in this video at ~4:30?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXIRS04HKEQ
 
I'm trying to create a 2-part harmony in Melodyne, but pressing alt+shift while dragging the notes does not duplicate them as shown in the video.
 
Any help would be appreciated...cheers.
 
 
 
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    Re: Trouble Using Melodyne to Duplicate a Vocal Line 2014/02/24 06:56:19 (permalink)
    The comment is "copies notes to the next available track," so I am assuming that this is being done in Melodyne Studio 3, not Editor. As Essential is monophonic, I do not think harmonies can be created using it.
     
    There was an email just sent out a few days ago by Celemony to do similar harmonies in Editor, but I deleted the email and cannot find that link. As Celemony's site dynamically changes, I am having a hard time even finding things on it anymore. Someone may still have that email with the Celemony video (I hope), which is specific to doing the same thing inside of Melodyne Editor.
     
    In Editor, the simplest way to create a copy (in the same track) is to hit Ctrl-A (select all), then Ctrl-C (copy) and Ctrl-V (paste). The blobs are then stacked, so can simply drag the one copy off the other. Of course, can also be more selective with which blobs you want to work with.
     
    Edit: CakeAlexS threw a link on all Melodyne tutorials that are uploaded to YouTube in another thread. The harmony video from the email I referenced above is this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyW-b5SH7pk
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    Re: Trouble Using Melodyne to Duplicate a Vocal Line 2014/02/24 07:12:57 (permalink)
    Yep, what mettelus said.  I too tried to do what that video depicts, but that is a different version of Melodyne.
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    Re: Trouble Using Melodyne to Duplicate a Vocal Line 2014/02/24 08:22:32 (permalink)
    I have Melodyne Editor. And there are many things about it that I don't know, or don't use in my daily work flow process. In all the videos from Celemony, everything that I have seen and duplicated have worked. It's just that I don't often use it to it's full potential in my workflow.
     
    First, a correction. Essential may only be monophonic but that simply means it only works with a melody that has one note played at a time...such as a singer or a sax. You can still use the monophonic version to create a harmony line. You would need the full version of Melodyne Editor (ME) in order to work on polyphonic material such as piano or guitar chords.  If you can move the blobs, you can create a harmony with it. You might need to work in a separate track, but it can be done.
     
    Second, there are things in ME that I know are there, and they work, but in actuality, I have never used them in the way they are shown in some of the tutorial video's like this.  I keep saying that I'm gonna try that next time I need to do that BUT....I tend to forget when I am working with it and resort to what I have done before that works.
     
    This song: http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12024980  is a good example for me to use. The singer recorded this at her father's studio and sent it to me. Work schedules and life in general prevented her from being able to record any harmony tracks. Yet, in the Pre chorus and the chorus  you can hear harmony parts.
     
    How I did it:
     
    In Sonar, I inserted a new audio track and cloned./copied the lead vocal track to it. I inserted ME and simply used it to load the PC & Ch parts and then dragged the vocal blobs where I needed them, manually, one by one for the parts I needed. I would move the blobs and then play it back with just an acoustic guitar track so I could hear if the note I dragged to worked or not. It really doesn't take very long to complete a PC or a CH or even a verse working like this. It's probably faster than setting up a mic and doing a bunch of takes and then having to pitch correct them anyway. I set up volume envelopes to keep the levels where I needed them and bring parts in and out.
     
    The biggest problem with this method is the artifacts it leaves behind.
     
    This is evident even in the vocal sample on the youtube video you linked to. At the very beginning, you can hear the artifacts, the robotic sound is hard to disguise. And yeah, my harmony parts sound similar when you solo them. In order to work around that, I keep the BGVH low in the mix. Since I normally keep my BGV and BGVH low anyway, its not a big issue.
     
    The further you move the note from where it started, the more prominent the artifacts and format issues will become. Melodyne does allow you to adjust the formants of the notes.... the problem, at least for me, is that I have not yet mastered the editing of the formants to make that new pitch sound like a normal singer singing that note naturally.
     
    Hope this helps you.

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    Re: Trouble Using Melodyne to Duplicate a Vocal Line 2014/02/24 12:22:08 (permalink)
    Thanks for the following suggestion...
    mettelus
    In Editor, the simplest way to create a copy (in the same track) is to hit Ctrl-A (select all), then Ctrl-C (copy) and Ctrl-V (paste). The blobs are then stacked, so can simply drag the one copy off the other.

    This is how I started making harmonies.  However, after seeing the video I referenced, I realized that it would be quicker/easier to create them by grouping all the notes within each vocal line together so that they can be edited as independent entities (stored in separate tracks) yet displayed in the same editor window allowing you to see the entire harmony at once.
     
    I'm surprised that this really useful functionality was not preserved in the Editor version of Melodyne (I purchased the Melodyne/X3 bundle).
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    Re: Trouble Using Melodyne to Duplicate a Vocal Line 2014/02/24 12:49:34 (permalink)
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    The biggest problem with this method is the artifacts it leaves behind.
     
    This is evident even in the vocal sample on the youtube video you linked to. At the very beginning, you can hear the artifacts, the robotic sound is hard to disguise. And yeah, my harmony parts sound similar when you solo them.

    Have you tried using the 'randomize' function yet?  I saw it last night but didn't get a chance to play with it.  My guess is that its purpose is to introduce small, different random variations to each vocal line to simulate what you'd get if you actually recorded two separate vocal takes.
     
    Guitarhacker
    The further you move the note from where it started, the more prominent the artifacts and format issues will become. Melodyne does allow you to adjust the formants of the notes.... the problem, at least for me, is that I have not yet mastered the editing of the formants to make that new pitch sound like a normal singer singing that note naturally.

    The auditory system uses several different cues in perceiving a voice including fundamental frequency, (vowel) formant frequencies, intonation, etc.  If you change just one of them, e.g., formant structure, you may end up producing something perceptually ambiguous that will sound artificial.  So, it's not just about learning how to use Melodyne; you also need to understand how voices are produced and perceived.
     
    Cheers...
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