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[IMPLEMENTED] - [CWBRN-24894] - PRV Controller Pane Disappears
X2 introduced a bug where the PRV Controller Pane would disappear if you diminished it all the way with the mouse. To get it back you have to click on "View - Show/Hide Controller Pane" as mouse dragging doesn't work. Is this still true in X3? Steve
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 18, 14 6:13 AM
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 18, 14 6:22 AM
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Yes. X1 does not have this bug. I think I submitted a bug report way back when but can't be sure. Just curious if X3 fixed it or not.
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 18, 14 6:28 AM
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It still functions like you described. You can drag it to make it disappear, then need the menu command to get it back. (That's in X3d).
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 18, 14 6:38 AM
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You should be able to redrag it back to appear, so the bug is still there. I guess I'll resubmit a bug report then though someone with X3 may need to do it as well since X2 is no longer supported.
Thanks for checking Rob.
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 18, 14 6:38 AM
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Didn't realize it. I always hit Shift+C to get the pane back.
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 18, 14 7:58 AM
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soens
I guess I'll resubmit a bug report then though someone with X3 may need to do it as well since X2 is no longer supported.
I'll probably do it (if it's still in X3e).
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 18, 14 8:19 AM
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 18, 14 8:07 PM
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 20, 14 8:46 AM
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Still in X3e so I filed it (CWBRN-24894). Will come back when the status has been changed.
[Steps]
1. Open whatever project that has a midi clip in it.
2. Double-click the clip to open the piano roll view.
3. If the controller pane isn't shown at the bottom of the view, hit Shift+C once to display it.
4. Diminish the controller pane all the way with the mouse.
5. Try getting the pane back using the mouse.
[Expected Result]
The pane separator is visible at the bottom so that you can drag it and restore the pane.
[Actual Result]
The separator disappears and you won't be able to bring back the pane.
(If you can't reproduce it, try again with other clips in the project. There are times when it works as expected.)
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 20, 14 9:05 AM
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I believe minimizing the pane to that extreme just causes the pane to be removed in X3. It can be restored with SHIFT-C or selecting "Show/Hide Controller Pane" from the Views menu.
post edited by scook - March 20, 14 9:15 AM
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 20, 14 9:08 AM
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I don't know. I haven't tested it in X1 but if it used to work as Soens said, then maybe this is a bug? (I'm ok with Shift+C, though).
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 20, 14 9:16 AM
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Yes, it is different in X1. In X3, after the pane disappears, the screen is in the correct state (i.e. the accelerator and menus know the pane is gone). If the screen still thought the pane was there, it would definitely be a problem.
post edited by scook - March 20, 14 9:24 AM
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 20, 14 9:27 AM
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Interesting. I wonder why they had to change only the Controller pane's behavior. The Track (List) pane and the Drum Grid pane are both restorable by the mouse as before.
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 20, 14 9:48 AM
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 20, 14 7:26 PM
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CWBRN-24894 was closed with "As Intended" (with no explanation).
Soens, I hope you'll get used to Shift+C...
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 20, 14 8:34 PM
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Thanks Jlien. I hope they understand what they've done.  I can't believe they would intentionally disable something like this. It was "mousable" for years until X2 and it certainly slows down my work flow having to mess with menus and key strokes. Oh well, it's just a hobby.
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 24, 14 12:56 AM
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Fair question, why not pose the question in the feedback section of the document page? The shortcut may be added.
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 24, 14 1:15 PM
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scook
Fair question, why not pose the question in the feedback section of the document page? The shortcut may be added.
Feedback submitted. Does anyone have a list of piano roll shortcuts? The only thing I can find on the web is old stuff pre X series.
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 24, 14 8:07 PM
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Jlien X
(with no explanation).
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 26, 14 8:02 AM
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Jlien X
CWBRN-24894 was closed with "As Intended" (with no explanation).
Soens, I hope you'll get used to Shift+C...
That is very interesting as my report CWBRN-13937, submitted 1 year and 2 months ago, is still marked "Submitted to Development". Maybe it's buried under a pile of paperwork that got left in the old office when they moved a while ago.
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 26, 14 8:20 AM
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soens
Jlien X
CWBRN-24894 was closed with "As Intended" (with no explanation).
Soens, I hope you'll get used to Shift+C...
That is very interesting as my report CWBRN-13937, submitted 1 year and 2 months ago, is still marked "Submitted to Development". Maybe it's buried under a pile of paperwork that got left in the old office when they moved a while ago.
After seeing the status change I sort of regretted not stating in my report that restoring the pane back by dragging the separator was possible in X1 (but surely CW is aware of this, no?) But if you observe the behavior in X2/X3 carefully, you notice that the velocity skyscrapers appear in the Notes pane when the Controller pane sinks down and disappears. This makes me think the change is indeed intended (for what? I don't know). But what I don't understand is, the pane is sometimes restoreable by dragging even in X3. Hmmm......
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 26, 14 9:34 AM
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That's why I don't believe the "intended behavior" conspiracy theory.  It's not consistent. Once in a great while it will behave correctly. As for the velocity lines, X1 does the same thing. It is a setting under "Notes".
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 26, 14 11:31 AM
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I've just submitted another ticket asking why the ticket status differs between my ticket and yours. This time I mentioned that X1 didn't have the issue, and also that in X3 the pane is sometimes restorable by dragging the separator that once disappeared.
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 27, 14 7:27 AM
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The status of my first ticket (CWBRN-24894) changed from "As intended" to "Submitted to Development" today.  But I have a feeling this trivial bug (sorry soens) won't be fixed............at least until when some major change is introduced to the PRV.
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
March 27, 14 4:25 PM
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Thanks for following up on this Jlien. Tho it's probably an easy fix I know they have 1000's of things to do so we'll wait and see what happens.
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
April 02, 14 4:49 PM
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CWBRN-24894 - Verified at my end (X3E).
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
February 10, 15 2:26 PM
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Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed. @48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38. Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
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Re: PRV Controller Pane Disappears
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