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Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
Hi Gang...
My thanks to The Bakers for the Melodyne shortcut... Id doesn't appear that there is one for V-Vocal... I understand (probably) why, but some of us are too poor to buy the full Editor version of Melodyne and the lite version is missing too many tools to replace V-Vocal...
So I understand why as an old plugin no longer part of the Sonar bundle was not given a default shortcut, but can't we at least get an option to create one? that would sure be a big help to me as scrolling the drop down list and menu system repeatedly gets old real fast...
Or is there already one that I couldn't find?
Thanks for at least getting part way there... I wish I could afford the Editor version, but it's not likely for quite some time... I guess I'm off to the Feature Request page to try again... Maybe I'll get lucky? ;-)
Thanks again...
Keni
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/28 21:30:40
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Hi - V-Vocal was deprecated (dropped) in X3, so if you have it from X1 or X2 it will still work in X3.
You can always get it back from either of those 2 releases.
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/28 21:42:42
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/28 22:14:10
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Aah, yes.
Isn't this the one where the documentation may still list the shortcut for V-Vocal, but it in error?
The product was 'dropped'. It is not sleeping, or stunned, or pining for the fjords, it is a non-parrot, deceased, dead product.
Soooo, while the product will work, the shortcut no longer will, and it won't be coming back.
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/29 06:28:09
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/29 08:37:04
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Hi, Keni.
I went through that other post and saw where Lynn had posted the following:
"Keni, I believe that VV opens like Melodyne, via the Region FX tab, now. Highlight your clip or region and open the Region FX tab where you will find VV and Melodyne available. This has been reported here on several occasions."
Does the above work for you?
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/29 09:43:22
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I think he is complaining about the lack of a shortcut key specifically.
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/29 10:14:40
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I agree - it was all I could come up with.....
There simply will not be a shortcut key, as the product was deprecated.
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/29 11:51:45
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Thanks everybody...
Yes, all is working properly... And I know all the reasoning about it being dropped as part of the Sonar bundle. I am grateful that the Bakers kept the interface with it working for support of older projects etc...
...and I wasn't even really complaining. I understand the situation. But adding it to the shortcuts list so that a user could add a shortcut to it is a very simple thing... I don't believe there is much of anything that having one (shortcut) would do to cause any problems.
I am merely asking the Bakers to re-consider this tiny option. And hoping to get others to agree with me and file their' own feature request for it. Surely it's way down the list of anyone's priorities, but also way simple to implement... If enough people are interested.
Sadly I believe I'm one of few users who still must depend on VV instead of Melodyne and use it heavily... But I can hope... And reach out...
So I thanks you all for taking an interest in this post and trying to help me... If you really want to help, a
Feature Request is the best any of us can do... Even if you don't use/need it, it won't hurt anyone to have it, eh? ;-)
Keni
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/29 12:49:11
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Keni I gave you a link to the other thread you created. Let me paste Cakewalk's response to you from that thread... Cheers... Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
This is not a bug but intended behavior. VVocal is deprecated as of X3 and as such its shortcut is released back to the public domain :) Keyboard shortcuts are a valuable resource so it would be unwise to continue blocking them for deprecated features.
There is currently no way to bind a hotkey to region effects other than Melodyne. In the future if there are more ARA region effects available we may consider adding a configuration mechanism to bind a specific one to a key but thats unlikely to happen soon.
The hotkey for Melodyne is CTRL-M as discussed in the help and not Shift-M:
http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X3&Lang=EN&Req=Region_FX.04.html#1683756
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/29 13:05:34
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Thanks Alex... I remember it now. I'm surprised that it's as deep an issue as the response makes it sound. The difference of using a mapped key to call the create routine instead of a menu click? I don't see what the issue is, but there's lots I don't know...
I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time... Here's hoping something good happens and I can buy the Melodyne Editor package one day soon... And then hoping that it works as well for me as VV (except for the shortcut issue ;-))...
Keni
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/29 13:31:06
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All is well with the world, Keni.
There are things I wish Sonar would do with Step Sequencer, so I can TOTALLY relate. :)
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/29 13:41:22
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Thanks Bob...
Right now I'm mostly at peace with Sonar's current config.... I still find Lanes uncomfortable, and the only thing I am severely hampered by is the problem with Zoom that I describe in many other threads... ;-)
But this seems like such a simple thing I was surprised at the response when it was posted long ago and I guess I have never fully accepted it.... and sorely need it... ;-)
Keni
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/29 13:58:25
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one of the real bummers with any software is whn they replace something that has worked so well for most of us, but as times change, so does technology. (im not always happy about that one either)its like getting old  it sucks  with that said, I hope this works out for you keni, your a good guy in my book. ive always appreciated your views and opinions I would keybind it buddy. hope all is well sir. Chuck
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/03/29 15:40:21
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This is unfortunate as I use V-vocal for a lot of my editing as well.
I love Melodyne and find it a valuable tool, but it doesn't have the surgery that V- vocal has when it comes to editing in the singletrack version of the purchase for the upgraded to editor version will have to wait for now.
I miss the ability to key bind it badly.
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/04/07 12:28:55
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chuckebaby
one of the real bummers with any software is whn they replace something that has worked so well for most of us, but as times change, so does technology. (im not always happy about that one either)its like getting old
it sucks
with that said, I hope this works out for you keni, your a good guy in my book.
ive always appreciated your views and opinions
I would keybind it buddy.
hope all is well sir.
Chuck
Thanks Chuck... I don't believe they will give any attention to this.... or they would have... It works as is, just a bit more painfully slow/tedious... Here's hoping that one day soon I will be able to afford upgrading to Melodyne Editor and that it can do what I'm used to with VV... Keni
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/04/07 12:57:16
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Hi Keni, I, too, was/am a fan of VV. The pencil tool has been very useful for me, and, though, Melodyne Editor can deal with pitch drift in a different way, Essentials lacks the power that the pencil tool in VV has. If I'm reading things right, you still have access to VV, albeit, it takes a few extra clicks to get there. Is this correct? If so, then let us be grateful that it's still with us, even if it take 3 to 4 seconds longer to get there.
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/04/07 14:46:54
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Lynn
Hi Keni, I, too, was/am a fan of VV. The pencil tool has been very useful for me, and, though, Melodyne Editor can deal with pitch drift in a different way, Essentials lacks the power that the pencil tool in VV has. If I'm reading things right, you still have access to VV, albeit, it takes a few extra clicks to get there. Is this correct? If so, then let us be grateful that it's still with us, even if it take 3 to 4 seconds longer to get there.
Thanks Lynn... Yes... I use the draw tool as well and I'm a bit nervous to spend money I can't on Melodyne Editor hoping that it has the tools to fully replace VV... I am grateful that VV still works or I'd be sunk... The way I work I need to frequently create small regions so it means repeating the menu dive far too often for comfort.... But I'll have to be sad while I charge my clients for more time as it takes more time than it used to for this operation... Best of luck to you too! Keni
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Re: Melodyne shortcut but not V-Vocal?
2014/04/07 15:52:37
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Keni
Lynn
Hi Keni, I, too, was/am a fan of VV. The pencil tool has been very useful for me, and, though, Melodyne Editor can deal with pitch drift in a different way, Essentials lacks the power that the pencil tool in VV has. If I'm reading things right, you still have access to VV, albeit, it takes a few extra clicks to get there. Is this correct? If so, then let us be grateful that it's still with us, even if it take 3 to 4 seconds longer to get there.
Thanks Lynn...
Yes... I use the draw tool as well and I'm a bit nervous to spend money I can't on Melodyne Editor hoping that it has the tools to fully replace VV...
I am grateful that VV still works or I'd be sunk... The way I work I need to frequently create small regions so it means repeating the menu dive far too often for comfort....
But I'll have to be sad while I charge my clients for more time as it takes more time than it used to for this operation...
Best of luck to you too!
Keni
Melodyne editor is very good, but it does lack the draw tool, so if you like using that (I do) it doesn't completely replace VV. It does a lot of things VV can't though, so I'm happy that I have both. If you watch the tutorial vids for melodyne editor, there is a lot more to it than pitch/timing correction, it has a lot of creative uses as well as corrective uses. The lack of ability to create a shortcut for VV is a minor annoyance, but on the plus side VV seems to be much more stable in X3, so any time lost with the extra clicks should be more than compensated for by not having the regular crashes.
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