Sanderxpander
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OMF Export issue
Hey all,
I've opened a lot of OMFs, mostly without issue, but I haven't had the need to export them very often yet. Now I do, and I ran into an issue. I have around 20 tracks routed to a few buses, ending up at the master bus. Some softsynths and some audio recordings. I froze all softsynths so that the audio would be included. There are still some fx plugins on the tracks and some automation, I'm assuming that it will either be ignored or converted, either is fine really, it's more about transporting the audio with all the tracks correctly labeled and all the clips in the right place. I'd just bounce tracks but with many small clips it'd take a lot of unnecessary space so I thought this would be more useful.
I chose the OMF2 option, told Sonar to included the audio in the OMF file (the way I've always gotten my files), and told it to save. I chose the default WAV format and no stereo demixing.
Sonar goes to work for a while writing/copying various WAV files as preparation for writing the OMF, and eventually it ends up saying:
"Problem exporting OMF:
[project name.omf]
OMFI_ERR: Failed a semantic check on an input data"
Does anyone have a clue what might be wrong?
I'm on Win7 Ultimate SP1 x64, Sonar X3e x64.
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SvenArne
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/08 07:28:27
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I know there's a 2 Gb limit on OMFIs and that exceeding this limit will generate nonsensical error messages. Is it possible that your audio content sums up to more than 2 gigs?
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Sanderxpander
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/08 07:45:44
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It's not likely to even reach 1GB. More like 400/500MB.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/08 10:52:22
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Don't know. Sounds like a question for tech support
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Sanderxpander
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/08 11:43:49
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I'll try, there's so much good advice floating around here that I was hoping someone might know what's up.
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SvenArne
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/08 11:48:24
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I view OMFI export as a bonus feature (in any DAW): If it works, cool but I'd never depend on it.
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Sanderxpander
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/08 11:56:56
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Well I can still bounce the individual tracks, I was just hoping it'd be more convenient. If I'm pressed for time I'll bounce the tracks, but for now I'd like to figure out where that error is coming from.
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markyzno
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 04:49:46
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I did a whole thread on this. Dub and I even used Sonars test project and tried to export that as an OMF and every time Sonar threw out the error you mentioned and a couple of others.
I bang on about this all the time. Sonar PLEASE sort out the OMF issue.
SvenArne, Its a huge deal for me and others that work in the film industry. If Sonar could do this reliably I would never have to use Pro Tools again (which suits me down to the ground)
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 07:38:21
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markyzno
SvenArne, Its a huge deal for me and others that work in the film industry. If Sonar could do this reliably I would never have to use Pro Tools again (which suits me down to the ground)
Sure it is useful, but the OMFI protocol seems very frail. I've transferred or tried to transfer *.OMF between SONAR and Cubase and back, Logic to SONAR, Pro Tools to Logic and so on. A LOT of times the files couldn't be imported, are reported as corrupt or giving back weird error messages. Fail rate in my experience is about 50%, followed by phone call to client/collaborator: "Sorry, dunno what went wrong but you'll have to try bouncing all tracks the old way". Sven
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 08:43:38
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Yes it is frail which is why AAF are better. But having said that I still need OMF, Sonar doesnt seem to handle it very well at all and I cant have bounced tracks as I need the handles and edit points for Dialogue.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 09:48:26
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Ok, weird, I thought it'd work since I can usually import OMFs fine (from Logic most often).
That's a real shame. Guess I'll have to stick to bouncing for now and hope they fix it in an update.
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dubdisciple
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 11:56:23
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I import from logic just fine, but I have given up on export for now. As Mark said, we kept getting same error again and again.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 14:44:55
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I export OMF's all the time and never have any issues. I think an earlier poster suggested the 2 gig limit and I think you should investigate that more. 20 stereo tracks can add up to alot of realestate. One thing I do before exporting an OMF is to "Remove Silence" from all the tracks. That reduces the size of my OMF. I use my own "remove silence" settings (-81 DB) because I usually have very quiet fades in and out.
Try cutting the project in 1/2 and see if you still get the error.
My settings (things checked) are as follows:
OMF version 2
Embed audio within OMF
Split Stereo Tracks Into Mono
Include Archived Tracks
Write RIFF Wave
These setting work for me to have a Sonar OMF/project imported into Protools. I've done this on a regular basis for years.
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markyzno
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 16:08:11
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2gb thing goes without saying  Still doesnt work this end, even on a 5mb project (test project)
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 16:30:13
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☄ Helpfulby markyzno 2014/04/09 16:34:16
Jimbo..perhaps you can try the same test project we attempted and see if your results are better?
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Sanderxpander
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 17:14:32
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I'll try making the project smaller, but it's not 20 stereo tracks, only two are stereo and the rest is mono, and a lot of them are partials (like backings during a chorus or bridge). The total project size is 430MB.
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dubdisciple
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 17:25:44
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dubdisciple
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 17:31:05
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Jimbo 88
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 17:39:18
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I'm dloading right now....I'll report back
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 17:49:27
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And just for the record, I export OMFs at 16 bit 48K. Not sure if that makes a difference.
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Sanderxpander
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 17:53:10
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I don't recall you can actually set that anywhere, I suppose you mean your projects are 48K/16?
Mine are 44.1k/24 btw.
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markyzno
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 18:03:43
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I shall wait for said results (off to bed now, UK time)
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Jimbo 88
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 18:16:07
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I'm rendering the OMF now...Hey NICE TRACK by the way!!!
I'll see if I get an error report
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 18:21:33
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Yep, I got the error ...
I'm going to try "bouncing to clips" and then try it again.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 18:39:57
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I recall eventuall beimg able to export but the steps pretty much was mpre work than exporting stems
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Jimbo 88
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 21:26:17
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2014/04/10 11:55:56
OK..Done. 643 MBs. I succefully exported an OMF. It took 3 tries.
I was working fast --so i did things without worring about concequences, Here is what i did.
1) Deleted the track "quad-capture". That seemed to be just a mix of the song, but it probably could have stayed.
2) Deleted all soft synths--again probably uneccesary.
3) Opened up all folders, started "Bouncing To Clips" eveything. I could not grab everything at once, so I grabbed as many tracks as I could at a time to bounce to clips. This is proably very important. every clip that overlaps with another generates a new track in an OMF. Having so many clips and tracks becomes overwhelming to organize, and probably too much for the system to handle.
4) After all tracks had all the clips "bounced" so no clips where overlapping any more. I went to "Process Audio>Remove Silence". This removes all automation, so I suggest experimenting with this. You might want to "Freeze" all your audio tracks 1st. That will print any fades or effects.
Anyway if you'd like the OMF..PM me and I will DropBox it to you.
I'm guessing the issue people are having with OMFs are too many clips that overlap on a track. Also track automation might be getting in the way.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/09 21:30:29
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It did not really take me very long, I had a lot of interruptions. Like take my daughter to a Flute lesson, eat dinner and run to the store.
all in all about 20 minutes
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/10 11:58:23
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Thanks Jimbo. I will play around with this again
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/10 17:46:28
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Thanks a bunch for your efforts, I will give this a try tomorrow and let you know!
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