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2014/01/07 06:44:35 (permalink)

OMF Export issue

1. Sound Designed a 13 minute film. (45 audio tracks into 10 busses to the master buss)
2. Export OMF (both as embedded or reference external files as either OMF1 or OMF 2)
3. Sonar copies the wav files to the designated directory.
4. At the end of the export of the OMF error message "Problem exporting OMF: <file path> OMFI_ERR: Failed a semantic check on an input data"
5. Sonar fails to build an OMF.
 
I'm on X3c, but since there has been no update on X3d with regards to OMFs I dont see much point in changing to X3d and trying this.

Anyone else get this?

My first thought was a permissions issue but since I am exporting to a non system drive the permissions are fine.

Very frustrating as I have to export this to a client. 

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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 06:56:23 (permalink)
    Exporting an OMF1 gives a slightly different message.
     
    "Problem exporting OMF: <path name> OMFI_ERR: Invalid object attached to property"




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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 07:05:13 (permalink)
    After freezing synths and exporting, this issue.
     
    "OMFI_ERR: Mob does not exist in this file"

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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 07:12:38 (permalink)
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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 07:43:06 (permalink)
    just documenting my troubleshooting here....
     
    Have now tried to slice the project in half or a third and re-export OMFs in smaller chunks (OMF's dictate no OMF can be bigger than 2gb)

    But, still "OMFI_ERR: Mob does not exist in this file"

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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 07:52:54 (permalink)
    I have checked all the past OMF export error threads on the forum as well and it seems these issues have been around for years.

    May I be as bold to suggest that the lovely team at Sonar look into OMFs sufficiently so it works?

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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 07:56:57 (permalink)
    Is it a 64 bit issue then? This I am wondering.

    It would be great then like in Logic if you could open Sonar in a 32 bit mode? But then where would that leave 64 bit plugs used in the project?


    Maybe the only way round Sonar getting this issue resolved is to start to support AAF? Although PT11 which is 64 bit supports both OMF and AAF, is this because they have their Avid Media Composer bolted on to PT11?
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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 08:33:17 (permalink)
    Tried everything and have given up now 
     
    Just tried processing all the Audio FX, export OMF both as embedded and referenced and again, both as a small chunk or the whole project.

    Same errors.

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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 14:41:32 (permalink)
    I have imported omf but never brother d to export. Will try today and get back to you
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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 14:46:25 (permalink)
    I have had some luck exporting before but this project, boy oh boy I cant for the life of me figure out why she wont play ball....

    The only thought I have left is that some of the sample sources were at different bit rates maybe? But then if you pull a sound into a 48k 24 bit project then Sonar converts them...or should....

    I must have spent about 7 hours on this today 

    Mr Dub, please report back and let me know how you get on?

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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 15:02:51 (permalink)
    I did not get those errors.  The only oddness i got was, one of the tracks was blank (and I'm sure that was my fault since it was an unfrozen midi track) and although thr OMF opened fine in Sonar, all tracks were silent when opened in Audition
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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 15:16:40 (permalink)
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    I did not get those errors.  The only oddness i got was, one of the tracks was blank (and I'm sure that was my fault since it was an unfrozen midi track) and although thr OMF opened fine in Sonar, all tracks were silent when opened in Audition




     
    Cheers for your cross check Mr D.
     
    The problem I guess is that I have - rather than a test project - a project where theres 49 tracks, 10 busses and god knows how many edits, fades, automation and thus it just could be the age old problem with OMF's in general (i.e they are flaky as hell), or that theres a problem in the way Sonar handles them or both...I can totally sympathize with Sonar and OMFs in that they (OMF's) are gremlin ridden and the room for error is high. 

    What I would like to see is some sense in the OMF Sonar errors that can help me troubleshoot the issue, or some better dialogue on the export, or for Sonar to support handles, or for Sonar to support fades. Either way I do believe a further update to Sonar addressing OMF/AAF multi DAW post Production compatibility would just be a Godlike implementation for me. 




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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 15:24:05 (permalink)
    I did export a fairly simple project.  i will try a more advanced project and see what happens
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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 15:25:34 (permalink)
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    I did export a fairly simple project.  i will try a more advanced project and see what happens



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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 15:53:48 (permalink)
    Tried with a much larger project with over 10 busses.  Worked without generating errors.  Needless to say bus info did not export but I expected that. Like I said, I don't normally export OMF.  I typically import it from projects i tack in Logic at the studio so that i can mix in Sonar.
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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 16:01:38 (permalink)
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    Tried with a much larger project with over 10 busses.  Worked without generating errors.  Needless to say bus info did not export but I expected that. Like I said, I don't normally export OMF.  I typically import it from projects i tack in Logic at the studio so that i can mix in Sonar.



    Hmmm, with your experiment I can only assume as such that the project one was exporting from didnt have all the fades or automation as my project etc etc (no fault of yours)

    Likewise, I rarely have issues importing OMFS from DP/Logic/PT/FCP....usually if I get an import error its from Premiere....

    Deffo seems to me that this whole OMF business needs greater testing in Sonar and in an ideal world I wish some brainbox out there would write a wrapper like Jbridge but for OMF's, that would make everyones lives better....

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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 16:03:11 (permalink)
    Btw Mr D, thanks so much for your time in testing things from your end.....

    If I could gobbler this project and test with another Sonar user I would, but I am bound by the usual contracts in place in not showing work before it goes to show.
     

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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 16:24:56 (permalink)
    I understand how that is.  Actually the project did have fades and automation.  I have an idea..brb
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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 16:29:34 (permalink)
    I'm going to download this project: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013323
     
    so that we both have access to the exact same project.  It's just the X3 Javier Colon Demo project.  I downloaded before but deleted.  I'm pretty sure it has automation and such on it.  If we are both able to export OMF with no glitches, we can start adding things to see if we can recreate your issues
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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 16:30:30 (permalink)
    Good plan....

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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 16:37:29 (permalink)
    I'm sure you know this stuff but as an FYI some cakewalk tips on exporting OMF: http://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013040
     
    I made the mistake of not matching the rate and bit depth and that explains why my audition import was silent
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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 16:51:41 (permalink)
    Good news and bad news.  The bad news is I got the same error you did when exporting the Javier Colon project to OMF.  I suppose that's not good news is I exported without taking a good look at the project.  After reviewing the tips I just posted, I suspect I need to bounce some of these tracks with automation and midi tracks before exporting.
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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 16:54:14 (permalink)
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    I'm sure you know this stuff but as an FYI some cakewalk tips on exporting OMF: http://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013040
     
    I made the mistake of not matching the rate and bit depth and that explains why my audition import was silent



    Yup, I can tick all those boxes... Although I am sure this issue will be in the envelopes/Fade/Automation data that is being transferred to an OMF.
     
    BUT....

    Whats the point in bouncing to clips/bouncing when what you want to achieve is the edit points and fades for the Client in the other studio on another DAW? As surely then you may as well just make stems and be done with it?

    It seems to me that Sonar has built this guide for very simple music based projects rather than a more complicated Film project

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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 16:55:38 (permalink)
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    Good news and bad news.  The bad news is I got the same error you did when exporting the Javier Colon project to OMF.  I suppose that's not good news is I exported without taking a good look at the project.  After reviewing the tips I just posted, I suspect I need to bounce some of these tracks with automation and midi tracks before exporting.



    I'm just importing and exporting now....shall report back...

    Beta testing in motion! How wonderful! 

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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 17:01:19 (permalink)
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    Yup, I can tick all those boxes... Although I am sure this issue will be in the envelopes/Fade/Automation data that is being transferred to an OMF.
     
    BUT....

    Whats the point in bouncing to clips/bouncing when what you want to achieve is the edit points and fades for the Client in the other studio on another DAW? As surely then you may as well just make stems and be done with it?

    It seems to me that Sonar has built this guide for very simple music based projects rather than a more complicated Film project




     
    I think you hit the nail on the head.  OMF is less and less effective the more intricate the project.  I think anything beyond simple fades fails.  I accidently picked a great project to show how it may be more work to get all these tracks in a way that Sonar will export without error than to export stems.
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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 17:09:20 (permalink)
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    Yup, I can tick all those boxes... Although I am sure this issue will be in the envelopes/Fade/Automation data that is being transferred to an OMF.
     
    BUT....

    Whats the point in bouncing to clips/bouncing when what you want to achieve is the edit points and fades for the Client in the other studio on another DAW? As surely then you may as well just make stems and be done with it?

    It seems to me that Sonar has built this guide for very simple music based projects rather than a more complicated Film project




     
    I think you hit the nail on the head.  OMF is less and less effective the more intricate the project.  I think anything beyond simple fades fails.  I accidently picked a great project to show how it may be more work to get all these tracks in a way that Sonar will export without error than to export stems.



    There must be a better way for Sonar to use OMF files. I have zero understanding of the coding behind it (God I wish i did) but I know for a fact that when I get an OMF from FCP for example that it imports no problem. Just the other day I had to deliver an AAF as a go-between between one client and another, so I got an OMF from the Director (which had extensive edits - fades and such), that imported into Sonar BUT without fades, so imported into PT NO problem WITh fades, then could export into an AAF.

    So, logically, the technology is there but Sonar havent really researched too hard into this area through no fault of their own being a vastly smaller company than Avid or Adobe etc

    But I really would like to strengthen my passion to Sonar that if they want to get into the Post Production "Game" then this is a KEY issue.

    (p.s, btw my Javier Colon test project is still attempting to wrap itself into an OMF, I have no activity but dont dare press a click in the workspace window for obvious reasons)

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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 17:09:46 (permalink)
    I'm currently attempting Process>Audio Effects to see if it processes the automation too.  If so, that may solve the problem.
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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 17:11:36 (permalink)
    ah, I just got the old "OMFI_ERR:Failed a semantic check on an input data"

    Dub, are you embedding or referencing externally?

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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 17:13:46 (permalink)
    I'm guessing and stress this is 100% guess based on nothing but intuition that OMF is bnased on XML.  That would be one way of making it cross-platform. I have never tried to export OMF from any program that had anything beyond simple fades and split clips.  I may try to export a more advanced project out of Logic and see what happens.
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    Re: OMF Export issue 2014/01/07 17:14:27 (permalink)
    markyzno
    ah, I just got the old "OMFI_ERR:Failed a semantic check on an input data"

    Dub, are you embedding or referencing externally?




     
    I'm embedding. 
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