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May 03, 14 11:27 AM (permalink)

Microsoft Security Essentials

What is this?  I'm confused is it an actual antivirus program?  I purposely don't have any antivirus programs installed on my Sonar computer.  But this downloaded and installed today with the latest windows updates.  What's the verdict on it... leave it or remove it?
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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 03, 14 11:36 AM (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Matt May 03, 14 11:38 AM
I use it. It is not intrusive and it works. 

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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 03, 14 12:05 AM (permalink)
I use it also, and have for several years now. As John states it is unobtrusive which is a bonus in an AV tool.
 
You mention you don't use an AV app yet apparently you are able to connect to the internet and download files. This is something I would strongly recommend against.
 
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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 03, 14 12:11 AM (permalink)
Yeah everyone tells me the same.  I'm sure I'm due for a major virus and an exploding computer.  In my defense this forum and other audio sites like native instruments are the least-mainstream sites I ever visit.  I'm on a strict diet of facebook, espn, amazon, and yahoo email.  I've worked like this for at least 10+ years and never been bothered.  Obviously I don't open ANYthing via email unless I'm absolutely 100% certain I know exactly what it is.  I'm not saying I'd recommend it to anyone, just that it's possible.
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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 03, 14 7:01 PM (permalink)
You can turn it off - real time protection and the app itself before making important recordings.
 
While recording it is not likely to have much impact, but when you hit stop, it will scan all the new Wave files unless you do something to stop it. Not a problem if it's the end of the night, but if you are trying to hit stop and start between two songs, you might suddenly find your PC with extra load as you start into the next tune.
 


StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 03, 14 7:09 PM (permalink)
I don't thing MSE works that good, so I bought the Pro version of Avast. I haven't had any problems since.
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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 03, 14 7:15 PM (permalink)
That's all I use and the builder of my computer said it should be just fine as long as you don't go to any *unsavory* places.  Audio forums like this should be fine, figuring you don't open any links from those morning posts we sometimes get.  ;-D

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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 03, 14 7:30 PM (permalink)
I use Security Essentials all of the time.  I have never found it to interfere with Sonar, even during downloads and installs. 
 
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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 03, 14 8:53 PM (permalink)
It works well for me.  I started using it under Vista and have had it working ever since.  I have not had a problem from it or due to its not detecting nasty stuff. But I don't go to places that are troublesome anyway.

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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 03, 14 8:59 PM (permalink)
It works well for me also and is un-intrusive with Sonar. I'd keep it. 

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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 03, 14 10:00 PM (permalink)
Thanks for the quick responses.
 
 
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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 03, 14 11:40 PM (permalink)
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That's all I use and the builder of my computer said it should be just fine as long as you don't go to any *unsavory* places.  Audio forums like this should be fine, figuring you don't open any links from those morning posts we sometimes get.  ;-D




The data suggest that your chance of being infected by visiting a legitimate site that has been seeded with malware delivery systems (compromised site) is much greater than your chance of being infected by attack sites deliberately designed to deliver malware. Most users have little reason to visit an attack site, and there is some effort being made by search engines etc. to flag the worst of them.
 
Keeping malware off a website requires constant vigilance, a strict policy  a dedicated staff and a budget. To the extent that this forum is safe it has more to do with the limited design of the forum (no ads loading automatically etc.), luck and a low chance of attracting a lot of activity to make it worth while to compromise. Although I post links here routinely, I am aware that a link on this forum could lead me to malware.
 
If you dare, have a look at the Google transparency report located here:
 
http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/safebrowsing/
 
The diagram titled "sites hosting malware detected per week" shows a tiny amount (blue) of attack sites compared to compromised sites (green).
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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 04, 14 6:25 AM (permalink)
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I don't thing MSE works that good, so I bought the Pro version of Avast. I haven't had any problems since.


I agree
 
I've had the odd bit of malware install itself (not on my Daw!!) and MSE totally failed to recognise it.
 
All I use now is Malwarebytes (Paid version) which is very system friendly, and you can use the same registration details on multiple computers

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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 04, 14 7:12 AM (permalink)
Something to keep in mind is that both my ISP and my company offer Virus Protection to their users at no extra cost. It's worth looking into before you choose to pay.
 
FWIW, I have not installed any Virus Scanner beyond Windows Defender in 10 years. One of the original purposes of Giant AntiSpyware which is the original source of what became Windows Defender was to protect your privacy by scrambling bits on your hard drive for old deleted documents and deleting cookies from IE... that sort of thing. This was removed from Windows Defender.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Defender
 
BTW, if you want a search engine that is at least trying not to track you, check this one out...
https://duckduckgo.com/
 
It was the default search engine in my most recent Linux Install. I thought it was worth knowing about.
 
Lastly, notice that you can exclude File Types, Processes and Locations from the scanner. This can be pretty helpful in making sure it doesn't get in the way of your recording process. What's the chance that one of your WAV files will have a virus in it?

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 04, 14 10:35 PM (permalink)
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If you dare, have a look at the Google transparency report located here:
 
http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/safebrowsing/
 
The diagram titled "sites hosting malware detected per week" shows a tiny amount (blue) of attack sites compared to compromised sites (green).




Google itself delivers links to malware. Search for "download adobe reader" and the first presented link is malware.
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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 04, 14 10:47 PM (permalink)
This is what I use because (and no offense), 1-Webroot let a very nasty virus through two different times and 2-I find Norton and McAfee to be as bad as spyware for their intrusion and demand on system resources.  The Microsoft version is free, also.
 
I was surprised to find myself happy with a free Microsoft package, but it was actually recommended by techs at Sweetwater.
 
As with anything, you must connect to the Internet periodically to get updates.

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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 05, 14 1:04 AM (permalink)
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This is what I use because (and no offense), 1-Webroot let a very nasty virus through two different times and 2-I find Norton and McAfee to be as bad as spyware for their intrusion and demand on system resources.  The Microsoft version is free, also.
 
I was surprised to find myself happy with a free Microsoft package, but it was actually recommended by techs at Sweetwater.
 
As with anything, you must connect to the Internet periodically to get updates.


For years MS seemed totally incapable of making Windows secure. Now it still isn't though much better but not really truly secure but it is surprising how good MSE is. As you say its free lets just hope they don't screw it up. They do have a habit of doing that. 

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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 05, 14 5:28 AM (permalink)
Here's what Noel Borthwick, Cakewalk's CTO, wrote in response to a post I wrote last October. When recording I disconnect the net and disable MSE. It works very well, especially compared to others I've used (I concur with konradh on Norton).
 
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
It is generally a bad idea to run antivirus software on a DAW. Many AV programs are really intrusive and do background checks all the time.
The only AV I use is Microsoft Security Essentials and it seems to not affect performance for me. I think MS is a bit more careful about using as few resources as possible compared to the other players.



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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 05, 14 11:13 AM (permalink)
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I don't thing MSE works that good, so I bought the Pro version of Avast. I haven't had any problems since.
interested to know what problems you had?

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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 05, 14 11:15 AM (permalink)
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djwayne
I don't thing MSE works that good, so I bought the Pro version of Avast. I haven't had any problems since.


I agree
 
I've had the odd bit of malware install itself (not on my Daw!!) and MSE totally failed to recognise it.
 
All I use now is Malwarebytes (Paid version) which is very system friendly, and you can use the same registration details on multiple computers
again, interested in more info here - how did malware install itself? What did you click?

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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 05, 14 11:35 AM (permalink)
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djwayne
I don't thing MSE works that good, so I bought the Pro version of Avast. I haven't had any problems since.
interested to know what problems you had?

I did a fresh install of Windows 7 because I had a virus I couldn't get rid of. After the fresh install, I put MSE on and within two days my computer was re-infected with the same virus problems. So I re-installed W7 again and this time put the the free version of Avast on. It worked really well but I wanted better protection so I bought the pro version. I haven't had any virus problems since. Avast seems to work well with X3 too, no problems to report.
 
I'm also using the paid version of MalwareBytes....the combination of the two are working well.  
 
Another thing I did to improve my computer's performance was to ditch Internet Explorer for Google's Chrome. The difference is dramatic. Night and day. 
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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 05, 14 11:49 AM (permalink)
Thanks for the info! :-)

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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 05, 14 11:50 AM (permalink)
Some of the problems I was having was Explorer would crash often, browser would get re-directed, I couldn't search using Google Bar, Explorer's search wouldn't work right, Windows wouldn't start right...One problem after the next....after installing Avast and MalwareBytes and Chrome, all these problems went away for good. Now my computer is running rock solid, and rated at about a 10 on the Microsoft reliability graph. 
post edited by djwayne - May 05, 14 11:58 AM
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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 05, 14 12:11 AM (permalink)
As long as you configure your antivirus appropriately it should not be intrusive whatsoever (unless you have a turkey of an antivirus product or your machine is far too slow, if you have a quad core or above it should not be a problem). Microsoft recommends you exclude certain folders and files from realtime antivirus scan (BTW this does not just apply to 'enterprise' environments)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/822158

I also exclude the cakewalk folders. You can see what else is going on using

http://technet.microsoft..../sysinternals/bb896645

BTW it's not a good idea to use two or more scanners that will slow down your machine and virus scanners can conflict with each other.

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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 05, 14 3:53 PM (permalink)
I'm on a strict diet of facebook, espn, amazon, and yahoo email. 
 
And you think those are free of malware? Yahoo is possibly the only e mail I have ever had hijacked. Huge issues with the security at Yahoo. I store nothing there in any folders, no address book etc. I only use it when I need a log in address for sites that send junk mail. 
 
I have also used nothing but MS security for a long time now. A few IT people recommended it to me. I have never had a virus since. I toggle it off on my DAW as if your not on the net there is no reason for it. But I turn it back on when I have to put it on line. 

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Re: Microsoft Security Essentials May 05, 14 5:25 PM (permalink)
bvideo
 
Google itself delivers links to malware.



google is malware IMHO.
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