BJN
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AUTO MIX
I know it is considered lazy and doesn't apply to mixing other recording engineers works but if you make the recording and then mix it "would you like to have auto mix turned on" dialogue pops up. Kinda like a living developing macro similar to automation, where what you do is recorded. Just an idea.
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John
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No. No two projects are the same for me. An auto mix as such would have very limited value to me.
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CJaysMusic
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Dude, I never used: - The same effects
- The same effect settings
- The same fader levels
- The same pan pot settings
- The same sends
- The same busses
- The same automation
For any mix, and I have mixed thousands of songs to date and have been mixing for over 20 years. After you learn more about this subject and gain experience and knowledge, you will see. CJ
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dubdisciple
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The only value I could see for such a feature is bulk recordings of the same person like a person recording voice menu options. Even then you would be surprised how much one person's voice can vary from one part of recording session to another.
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BJN
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I do agree with you guys. I do. Every mix is different. Testament of that is even a different mix on the same material is different. I actually apply the every mix is different philosophy to the point I do not use saved Pro Ch FX bin chains etc. I been mixing since the very early 80's and I realize that my work has a sound to it, especially recording and mixing my own music. The Auto mix idea is one for musicians who don't want learn a whole new art form such as mixing. But I suppose that would do engineers out of work as now they can send their recordings to one of you guys. I just thought it would be nice to have an auto mix but what I am really saying it would be nice to give my mixes to someone else. I have tried saving stuff as I go, mainly Track templates is the only thing I use. Most Pro ch stuff doesn't get used. Am I missing out on somethings?
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mettelus
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BJN The Auto mix idea is one for musicians who don't want learn a whole new art form such as mixing.
Even for something as simple as adjusting gain/tone on an amplifier, a musician is mixing, just not to the extent of a project. There is no canned shortcut to be had really... ... however, if you create a project and simply swap the contents of tracks you could get the same effect in a way, but you would also find the undesirable outcome of such a strategy very quickly as well.
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John
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"The Auto mix idea is one for musicians who don't want learn a whole new art form such as mixing."
Perhaps a DAW is not for them then. Hire someone to do the mixing.
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LpMike75
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Ozone has some pretty great sounding presets for mastering. To get more ideal results, you would tweak those presets to your song, but many times the selected preset will make the song sound better than a novice would. With this in mind, I bet some company could come up with a program offering general "mix" perimeters and presets to get an entire song mix in the ballpark. Actually, I don't think they are that far off now. With plug ins like "EZ-Mix", you could select the appropriate track for processing in EZ Mix - then tell the program what instrument it is, letting the preset decide how loud each instrument should be in relation to the others, based on loudness meters of some sort. It can also automatically adjust panning, based on the instrument. I bet Toontrack isn't too far off from something like this.
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BenMMusTech
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Def every mix is different but there is a formula. Once you know that you need an average -18DB rms on each of your channels before you mix, you set it. Once you understand gain staging and if you have a certain amount of tracks, you need to adjust the master buss accordingly, you do it. Once you understand Fletcher Munson curves and you have a decent spectrum analyser, and you know how the analyser reacts for the genre of music you are mixing you use it to set up the frequency response of your track. If your like me and you use console emulation on every track and you also use the gain structure on the emulator to set the level as per the first instruction again you do so. Same with tape emulation, which should be the last effect in the plug-in chain. And finally once you know how the mix should look on the master buss and you have a Kmeter you again use it. In effect what I am suggestion whilst it's not automatic mixing, it is mixing on auto-pilot. No you don't just do the above suggestions and forget that each song is different but using the above settings will get you in the ball park, cut down your mixing time and you can do it in a decent set of cans. But then again I have perfect this formula over a 14 year period and it ten to get it to work. Ben
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gswitz
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BJN, I've thought a lot about this. We def use Digital Mixers to remember venues right? Our bands play the same songs most times... Not the same order, not the same tempos... Same or similar instruments usually. Usually the same Mics. We can input the venue... So, couldn't a program learn how we really mix? and then do it approximately? Probably. It would be a pretty nice bit of logic though. I think it would be good enough for live performances before it would be used for mixing after the fact.
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...wicked
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It's not terribly different than the Vocal Rider plugin right? It just adjusts levels based on freq. content and whatnot. Don't get me wrong it won't be as good as a real mix at all, but I suppose it's technically possible.
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gswitz
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Idk, I was imagining something much more comprehensive than a vocal rider plugin. If it was all built into Sonar, - It could set EQs to reduce feedback
- It could ride certain levels just below feedback
- It could pull Mics down 6 dB when not in use
- If it could know the song, either by pre-planning or an alg the recognized the song like a sound man
- It could vastly change levels for different songs like when the male vocal which is usually a backup leads a song and all the instruments and EQs need to be adjusted so he can be heard.
- it could bring up sends to different FX during different songs.
- Bring up Delays on vocals just in the chorus or at the end of the verse.
Basically, all the time we spend writing Automation in mixes could be used to learn how to automate real time based on how the song was being played. It would have to be able to handle a false start... like when the band aborts after 12-24 bars. In general there's a lot of demand for good sound men. A lot of bands run their own sound in lieu. I think turning Sonar into an automatic sound man would dramatically increase the likelihood that it would be used in public places where people would see it in use. Adding this to Sonar would make Sonar sort of self-advertising.
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cclarry
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I did this as an April Fools joke a few years back....
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