Jack Ludden
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Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
In Sonar X3, is there any command to combine/compress all the takes into a minimum number of lanes? Across a song, I'll do 50 takes. But for each section there may only be 10 lanes actually needed. Any way to reduce total number of lines to minimum while maintaining 1 take per lane at a given time?
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CJaysMusic
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/17 14:26:01
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To have a command like that, it would have to read your mind as to where to put each take and it would have to know how long the lyrics are, when they come in and when they end. No command, but you can just drag them to any lane of your choice and delete the empty lanes.
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KPerry
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/17 14:43:05
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Not at all - this sounds like the old feature we had in SONAR 8 (Combine Layers?). It might not be perfect (and wasn't always), but it's really needed and doesn't exist for Take Lanes.
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/17 17:16:52
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/17 23:26:58
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CJaysMusic I'm so stupid!!
No, you just read too fast. For "stupid," there's television.
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Jack Ludden
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/18 11:23:07
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KPerry Not at all - this sounds like the old feature we had in SONAR 8 (Combine Layers?). It might not be perfect (and wasn't always), but it's really needed and doesn't exist for Take Lanes.
Yes! I thought for sure it was in a past version but I couldn't find it with The Googles. So I assume then this was removed and not re-implemented? It was a handy, time-saving feature for me.
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stevec
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/18 14:22:27
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No, it hasn't been implemented for Take Lanes. There have been many discussions about the topic since X2 came out, but they all go around in circles in the end - it seems to always come down to how should Lanes be consolidated. I recall many questions and complaints in the pre-X2 era for how Layers handled that aspect, so I can understand why CW would be leery of going down that road again. That said, X3 did introduce the ability to delete empty Lanes and muted takes, and also to flatten the Comp to a single clip. So maybe they are heading towards something like a consolidate at some point...
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/18 14:49:09
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stevec ...and also to flatten the Comp to a single clip.
With this feature/ability, why is the removing the lanes you don't want so important? After I comp a trk, I collapse it. Done. Move on.
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Jack Ludden
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/18 14:56:30
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It is something I would use before beginning a comp. The way I typically record a vocalist for a pop song is section by section, part by part. By the time I'm through a typical song, there are often 60+ takes with a lane for each take. So this creates this big grid of takes/take lanes that is populated from the top left to the bottom right at the end of the song. It's unwieldy to deal with and creates a lot of scrolling. It would neaten the work area and reduce the total required number of lanes if all of the takes were pushed up to the topmost lane it could occupy without covering a separate take.
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/18 17:09:10
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Grem
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/18 18:52:12
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@Jack I see what your talking about. But still, do a section with a trk. Next section, another trk. And so on and so on. That way your not opening a trk that has 60 takes in it. Now the only thing about takes/comping as implemented now that I don't like is when you have a comped trk, and it's promoted to the top, when you copy and paste that promoted trk to another trk, it also copies and pastes all the sections that aren't promoted along with it. IOW, all other takes get copied and pasted too. Does anyone know a way to stop this?
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/18 18:52:50
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As an alternative, since you seem to be recording in distinct parts, you could make a new vocal track for each part. You'd be able to make easy and quick comps for the part and combine them later.
I get what you're saying but the whole point of take lanes is that they default to take chronology. If you want to record into a specific take lane, you can.
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Grem
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/18 19:02:34
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Sanderxpander If you want to record into a specific take lane, you can.
But then the automatic looping won't happen. IOW, you would start in the lane you select, but once you come back around (I am asumming that he's recording in loop mode) it will create a new take lane. Or am I missing something here?
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stickman393
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/18 19:23:41
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Sanderxpander If you want to record into a specific take lane, you can.
Also, but then you can't hear the existing recorded material in other lanes, because they are automatically muted when you specify which take lane to record in, even in SOUND-ON-SOUND recording mode.
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Jack Ludden
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Re: Combine/Compress Take Lanes?
2014/07/19 11:20:37
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Yeah - obviously there are plenty of work-arounds and I can complete the project any number of other ways. The feature I'm asking about would be best suited to my particular workflow however - and sounds like it's just not there. Thanks for all the feedback!
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