Take Lanes surprise me yet again (not an apocalypse)

I am in 100% agreement with you on this Colin, and for much the same reasons.

I used the Rebuild feature a lot when comping, now everything has to be done one lane at a time - what a right royal PITA. I might as well have recorded each take to a separate track in the first place for all the good lanes are to me.

This is exactly one reason why I prefer Layers over Lanes.

uh... with Layers you couldn't even scroll or manipulate the data with that many takes. I hated that and the rebuild layers option made things even crazier. I'd say looking at that pic just do a Save As to get back to where you are if need be and drag the non overlapping clips into a single lane and delete the empty ones. What's going on there anyway? That's all over the place. Alternatively select all the non overlapping clips and Bounce to clips. It's not gonna make the thing blow up and if it does that's what the Save As is for. Another option would be to drag the actual take lanes in the left hand section of the track view like you would with a track so they appear how you want. Seriously I'd listen back to all that, see what I want to keep, make notes, clone the track and anything that overlaps stays in the second track while the rest gets deleted. It looks like you've got multiple parts in the same track. Overlapping material that you intend to keep in your project should be on a separate track.

IDK... that's just a mess. I'd freak out if I let a track get that crazy. Sorry... I don't mean to be harsh but this is a workflow problem... and I'm a little drunk. Wheeee!

Seriously though. Drag the entire take lanes so they show up sequentially on the timeline, if they overlap and you aren't sure which take you want to use for that track those takes go in the lanes directly above/below each other. Any takes that are meant to be a different part go in a new track (don't use two different parts in the same track at the same time). Do your editing and if you want to only deal with one take lane bounce to clips. It's a different workflow for sure but layers were a bloody nightmare compare to what you can do with lanes.

I have no idea if that made any sense to you but man... lookign at that I want to reach into your project and clean that up. What a mess. lol

Beepster


uh... with Layers you couldn't even scroll or manipulate the data with that many takes. 

I used to edit like this with Layers all the time. 
Precise & tight, non over-lapping clips then used the 'remove empty layer' function.
Doing similar with Lanes was is futile.

Layers were very usable & 'the old way' wasn't very old.

Trying to use the 'new' Lanes in a similar manner or fashion is dysfunctional at best.

Seems simple to me .... he started out with one take, kept doing takes and deleting or resizing the parts in the take lanes that he didn't want, and ended up with the original part of the take being at the end.

I don't like Take Lanes at all ... so for me ... my workflow has been made a 1,000 times harder because I have to use individual tracks now for every take and piece it together that way without the benefit of rebuilding layers.

Not to mention the bugs. It's one of those features where, when you have a bug, there's no way to turn it off or uninstall it. Like the Pro Channel.

But I'm a hater ... don't listen to me.

But he could accomplish exactly what he wanted to do before with Remove Empty Layers/Rebuild Layers.

And now he can't. Same for me

SteveStrummerUK


But he could accomplish exactly what he wanted to do before with Remove Empty Layers/Rebuild Layers.

And now he can't. Same for me

Exactly & in one click.

But I'm a hater ... don't listen to me.

Please don't do that, bro. Not with me. 

If they could code layers back in as an alternate option they should but really... lanes are working FAR better here so I'm gonna be selfish and say keep the friggen' lanes. They make sense to me. They work better. I can edit them no matter how many I create. Etc...

That's what I don't get about this thread post. At the amount of layers the OP is talking about I couldn't even get the cursor the select them anymore to do ANYTHING. I make tons of takes so I have a huge pool to select from for the final product. They just did not work for me. Rebuild layers is a great idea but the way it threw stuff all over the place ruined it. It was totally random. I can't work like that. I need order.

And everyone who has used layers will have X1 or another earlier version of Sonar at their disposal. If they bothered me THAT much I would just use X1 for my tracking then open the project in X2 for mixing. I just don't get it. 

Ugh... if digging lanes makes me an arsehole then so be it. I like them. Lanes rule. LONG LIVE LANES!!!

With 27 Lanes I think I would struggle with my method.

my method.

1. Record takes
2. Open take lanes
3. select all take lanes
4. cut where transition is to take place
5. any more transitions required? y-goto 3, n-goto6
6. use ctl mute to select best parts (or erase unwanted parts)
7. close take lanes
8. effect crossfades
9. QED

works a charm and if you might need unused bits use selective mute instead of erase. But with 27 takes I would struggel, normally at most I have maybe 6 takes.

But he could accomplish exactly what he wanted to do before with Remove Empty Layers/Rebuild Layers.

 
Hmmm....   I don't see (m)any empty lanes in that picture.  It's difficult to tell what type of logic would be needed to consolidate them - something I would like in general - and the result might be a wee bit difficult to gage as far as what was recorded when. 
 

bapu


Maybe I'm a dolt, but if that OP situation was mine and I wanted all those takes combined into a concise single track I'd just bounce that 'laned' track to another track. And delete the 'laned' track.

Actually that's how I do it.

/POST

That's exactly what I want to do - once I've cleaned up the clip start/end points, which is what I was about to do when I took the screenshot.

Beepster wrote:

[..] You didn't read up on how they work or experiment with them to see what would happen. 

Actually, I have. But this behavior still surprised me.

You recorded into a track blindly with the lanes closed creating a total mess and were shocked when you opened the lanes.

Yup. I guess I was expecting something more compact. 

Then instead of cleaning it up like you just said you were going to or asking the forum for some advice you take a picture of the mess, start a thread saying it's the apocalypse (which quite literally means the end of the world) and act like this is Cakewalk's problem. 

1) I have been cleaning it up this afternoon. 
2) I think I got some advice. 
3) I think it's a funny picture. 
4) I think it is kinda Cakewalk's problem or at least, I would like to make it so.

Please change this thread title. It is not a freaking apocalypse.

Done, because it's easy to do, and being flippantly over-the-top is always dodgy on a forum. 

I have no idea what you are talking about as far as not being able to hear previously recorded material. 

See this thread - you actually helped me via proxy on that one. I still think it's a bug, though. I've filed a report.

Beepster


And everyone who has used layers will have X1 or another earlier version of Sonar at their disposal. If they bothered me THAT much I would just use X1 for my tracking then open the project in X2 for mixing. I just don't get it. 

Ugh... if digging lanes makes me an arsehole then so be it. I like them. Lanes rule. LONG LIVE LANES!!!

Not so easy.  Open an X1 project in X2a, and I get all the layers I had deleted for each track in X1 back again in X2--as empty lanes.  Then I have to manually delete each empty lane.  That's just one of the many weird quirks of lanes in X2.
 
To someone else above:  what's wrong with 27 takes?  I sometimes do 50+ takes of a single guitar part and comp the best ones.  Comping was a hell of a lot easier in layers.  Lanes have made my way of working (many takes of certain parts) much more difficult.  That's why I'm just using X1 indefinitely.
 
DEATH TO LANES!!!!