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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/22 20:24:16 (permalink)
BTW did you hear that Chris Rea and Dire Straits are getting together, they aren't going to call the band "Chris Straights"...

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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/22 20:28:46 (permalink)
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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/22 20:39:22 (permalink)
Exactly 

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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/22 20:39:54 (permalink)
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 I don't understand the hostility.
 
I could use a $2 microphone and record a .wav sample in the field onto a $30 digital recorder. By your logic, that sample will sound 'better' than an mp3 of the same sound source created in a professional studio.




I'm not being hostile. I'm being defensive, big difference!
 
Also, you're distorting and misconstuing my assertions, so i'll set the record straight... 'Any' uncompressed sound in the form of WAV, all other things being equal, will ALWAYS sound better than an MP3, that's what i'm sayin.
 
But also, have you heard how most of the songs from the seventies and eighties survive data-compression better than most of the modern stuff? That's because the older stuff didn't have any MP3's waveforms to begin with, and thus only suffered one round of compression when turned into an MP3. However, a lot of modern songs that have MP3 or waveforms in them already, then get smashed to bits AGAIN into another MP3 and argggghhh, what a mess! If you can't hear the difference, good lick to you. If you're not a 'quality' conscious person, that's your business! But not on my ship!
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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/22 20:45:34 (permalink)
Umm I worked on 2" tape in the 80's and 90's. We mastered to half inch. Occasionally it got mastered on DAT (less said about that the better - yuk!). Most people here knows the effects of lossy compression so you really aren't telling us anything new.


I would not want my masters to go through MP3 compression of course.
 
Recording is a different matter, the sampler they used for this record for instance might horrify you, but it still sounds great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sFK0-lcjGU
 
... the final mix (which was done just around the corner from me) was probably bounced to half inch.
And as stated over and over again of course people prefer better sample formats..

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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/22 20:50:58 (permalink)
Of course wave sounds better than mp3. but if you are uploading to a forum where they only accept mp3, and you use the best process to make the best mp3  that will meet their size limitations, all I'm saying is that to me, that's acceptable. I wasn't arguing that mp3 should ever be used in a professional product to be released commercially!
 
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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/22 20:54:49 (permalink)
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Also, you're distorting and misconstuing my assertions, so i'll set the record straight... 'Any' uncompressed sound in the form of WAV, all other things being equal, will ALWAYS sound better than an MP3, that's what i'm sayin.
 

 
Technically yes, but if the sound of compression gives you the results you want then who cares. Given a choice between a great band performance compressed on MP3 and crap band recorded on WAV I know what I'd prefer to listen to, and that's the real point, and that rule goes from top up to bottom down during the recording process. Performance is the key.
 
Still I would always prefer to use WAV's of course....
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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/22 20:55:52 (permalink)
Im thinking of getting X3 when it comes out and I will use that as a 64bit platform!
 
 
 
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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/22 20:56:58 (permalink)
64 bit sounds better than 32 bit 
 
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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/22 22:07:54 (permalink)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sFK0-lcjGU

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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/22 22:41:19 (permalink)
I will only use loops that are DSD recordings.  Or 384 kHz in a pinch.
 
But a friend used to use an akai 12-bit sampler to record guitar loops and drag them to the studio to lay down to tape.  I guess that sounded OK even tho I would have never used them.  He's moved millions of units in his career.  He might not have my purity but he did get the money drugs and girls.  And gold records on the wall.
 
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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/22 23:10:14 (permalink)
The "common" listener of music does not know if it is 32 - 64, wave, MP3, sonar, pro tools, 16, 24, 32 tracks - as long as it sounds good and it is in a format they can listen to - more importantly they are willing to buy it or pay for it - keep making your music and major on the minors - IMO😳

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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/23 01:15:43 (permalink)
what a d-bag
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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/23 04:09:26 (permalink)
Meant to say don't major on the minors :-). Make music, make money...

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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/23 05:21:32 (permalink)
It's well known that the 'Masters' of anything in the world pay attention to 'detail'. That says it right there, or maybe "Quality, not quantity" might ring a bell with you. Well, need to add something else... close enough is not close enough! Ever heard that one? Well really it all depends on what your work ethic is. The ones that said "That's close enough" ended-up losing a Space Shuttle mid flight on the way to space. Space Shuttle Challenger if memory serves me correct.
 
If anyone here is on the Pop Charts, please let me know and i'll take your approach to music much more seriously? Do you like to get the job done properly or just close enough? Haven't you heard, close enough doesn't cut it, but if girls drugs and money are your aim, then yeah, some girls will go for anything, until then, MP3 isn't close enough.
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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/23 10:40:45 (permalink)
Drone, you seem like a nice person but lighten up, man.  You started the thread by wondering what kind of sounds were included in SONAR.  You never answered whether you were talking about the bog standard loops that come w/ it (and as far as I know they are all 16 bit/44.1 kHz) or the sample sounds in the synths (which come in flac, as far as I know).  In order to satisfy your curiosity one has to look in the explorer at every single file and sample included w/ SONAR.  If you have SONAR, spend the hours yourself, don't ask others.  If you don't have SONAR (and I don't think a lot of material comes w/ the demo) write Cakewalk - they would be the ones that would know.  I and others have told you what we know and this is a user forum.
 
The space shuttles had a know probable crash rate of over 1 -4%.  It was closer to 4%, unfortunately.  Nobody made a mistake there and nobody died in the making of Cake's samples.  Work ethic had nothing to do with it.  You've made large jumps in your argument, from asking for help to attacking people who tried to answer your question.  One would think you were a troll, except for your post count.  Most trolls give up quicker.  If you want samples/loops that meet your expectations, talk to Cakewalk, not us users.
 
As far as pop music - I guess you could pay me to do it.  But I don't like it.  And I couldn't give a monkey's fornication whether you take me seriously or not.  If you want you can go to the links in my sig but your time would be better spent chasing down the format of included Cake sounds for yourself, instead of having your work done for you.
 
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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/23 10:52:23 (permalink)
I'm on Dutch pop charts, ironically. Not that I'm particularly proud of those productions :)
But their low quality has a lot more to do with my limitations than with the guitar player sending me his mediocre fills as an mp3.
When given the choice, who wouldn't pick the better source file? This whole discussion is completely overblown.

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I've actually used samples from YouTube too, haha.
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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/23 11:10:29 (permalink)
Does the weather channel count because - it's happening there for me/us - just saying - not brag just fact☺️

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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/23 11:24:51 (permalink)
Gettin' all the answers you needed there, Drone?
 
Ain't no zealotry like "audiophile" zealotry.
 
Considering you're new(ish) and based on your other, more reasonable, posts/threads I'm going to assume you are probably coming from other more agressive sites like Gearslutz or the like. I like watching a good internet dust up just as much as the next lulzter but we do things a little differently around here. No one is telling you to use inferior samples, no one is claiming that MP3's are inherently better than 24/48+ waves and no one is begrudging you your personal preferences. What you have (or HAD) is/were people providing some info based on your queries and offering some personal opinions on the matter to maybe give you a wider pool of material to work with. If I find a really cool sample I'd like to use that is only available in a perhaps less than desirable format but does not have any serious sonic deficiencies (crackling, unacceptable hiss, warping, etc) then I would much rather use the sample than lose out on a the creative benefits of using said sample.
 
I know certain "audiophiles" are convinced they can hear some massive difference between quality and formats and in some cases it's true but also in a lot of cases the differences are quite literally physically impossible for even someone with perfect ears to hear. They just see the format and automatically think it's garbage therefore they "hear" garbage but likely in a blind test they likely would not notice at all. The average music listener would definitely NOT be able to hear the difference of even care (especially nowadays when everything is squashed to crap and being listened to through cheap earbuds and micro systems). Also in many cases the lower-fi quality is desirable from a creative standpoint. Some of the best loop based music IMO uses really oooold recordings that were, by todays standards, absolute crap as far as sound quality but they sound cool.
 
When I first starting out I thought like you. Everything HAD to be as high quality as possible and I would NEVER up/downsample or dither stuff before mixdown but as I've learned and experimented I realized I was only limiting myself unnecessarily and making things more difficult.
 
If it sounds good it's useable... IMO of course. ;-)
 
As far as your original questions your insistence on trying to prove your superiority over others immediately stifled the conversation and probably turned off the people who could help with some of the finer details.
 
So if you absolutely MUST have your samples be at a certain "quality" check the properties of the files. Also if something doesn't match your project settings you'll see a conversion process occur in the Transport Module's time display (it happens quick sometimes though so pay attention).
 
I still say you'd be better off finding your samples elsewhere though especially if it is THAT important to you. I consider the included content as just some starter stuff for people to mess around with and honestly a lot of it isn't really the best quality even when they are in high quality formats. Lots of noise, hiss, pops, etc in quite a few of them.
 
You bought a DAW. Not a sample library.
 
And don't bother replying if you are just going to rant about how superior YOUR way is or imply that I don't know what I'm doing. I already know I don't know what I'm doing but I seem to know enough not to limit myself over the inconsequential or attack and insult people I just asked advice from.
 
Also insisting the Baker's answer your questions NOW is poor form. This is not an official support forum. It is a peer to peer forum. The baker's just happen to pop in sometimes. If you want direct support you have to email or phone them.
 
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Re: Sounds included with Sonar 2015/01/23 12:23:12 (permalink)
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