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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/09 22:56:50
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That's not really true if you ask me. It comes down to a person having a little honesty and honor about themselves. Then again...there doesn't seem to be much of that in the world anymore.
I can't see how honesty or honour can be in the picture when there's no frame of reference. Maybe Cakewalk intended this all along. Maybe XLN is paying them to get people hooked on AD2. We don't know anything, so we can't know what is honest and what is not. Consuming is a game and maybe this is just a question of CriticalFix being creative and playing well. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Then we'll know what the intent was. Can you really believe that Cakewalk didn't think of this possibility ?
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 07:50:07
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since when did honesty and integrity have anything to do with business?!  regarding intellectual property, the whole shebang needs reviewing, those laws (certainly in the uk) are based on ancient land property laws, and certainly never expected to cover a whole new digital world... /imho
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 08:20:50
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/02/10 09:07:06
I think the spirit of arrangement is clear. You can argue the letter, but the spirit of the arrangement is that the customer should pay the full 12 month price to keep the content offered.
Exploitation like this will lead to restricted licenses that only work in a fully functioning Sonar, which means we, the legitimate paying customers, lose because we can't use AD in stand alone mode or in another DAW.
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 08:59:56
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/02/10 09:07:02
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I think the spirit of arrangement is clear. You can argue the letter, but the spirit of the arrangement is that the customer should pay the full 12 month price to keep the content offered.
Exploitation like this will lead to restricted licenses that only work in a fully functioning Sonar, which means we, the legitimate paying customers, lose because we can't use AD in stand alone mode or in another DAW.
Hi Dave- I completely agree with you on the spirit of the arrangement. It seemed odd to me that someone would post asking, essentially, if s/he could "game the system." I dunno; if I wanted to "game the system," I'd probably keep quiet about it and try it and see what happened. The OP has been very open about his/her intentions, however, so I guess it's up to Cakewalk and XLN to close the loophole if they think there is one. -Susan
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 09:04:01
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jta, the membership description doesn't mention access to the bundled plugs, just a non-demo sonar, unless i missed something?
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 09:58:23
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Here's an analogy.
You want a snack from the vending machine. You see that there is a pack of chips hanging from the rotator. You know that if you buy from that slot you will probably get two bags of chips. And so you do.
Is this illegal? Dishonest? You are only paying for one bag of chips, but you get two.
I think most people would argue that its "the machines fault." So if he orders a month of sonar and gets AD2, isn't it "the machines fault"?
Not advocating piracy, but I do think that a software vendor has a responsibility to fix their machine.
I also think that publicly judging others has become an epidemic, usually worse than the crime.
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 10:04:54
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pwalpwal
jta, the membership description doesn't mention access to the bundled plugs, just a non-demo sonar, unless i missed something?
Hi pwalpwal- As a member paying monthly, you have access to everything you would if you paid upfront, so yes, you have access to the bundled plugs and content. I can attest to that ;)! -Susan
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Mesh
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 10:25:51
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Bottom line is, there's a loophole in the system.
Either you exploit it to the fullest and then give all the reasons in justifying your decision, or you simply don't.
Most people don't want to do the right thing and there are a minority few that like to see the right thing done......... some understand what it's like to be in the vendors shoes. Sadly, many just don't care.
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Paul P
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 10:36:30
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Mesh
Most people don't want to do the right thing and there are a minority few that like to see the right thing done...
How are you deciding what's right in this instance Mesh ? I'm genuinely curious. I'm also for doing the right thing, but I first have to know what it is.
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/02/10 13:18:39
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Here's an analogy.
You want a snack from the vending machine. You see that there is a pack of chips hanging from the rotator. You know that if you buy from that slot you will probably get two bags of chips. And so you do.
Is this illegal? Dishonest? You are only paying for one bag of chips, but you get two.
I think most people would argue that its "the machines fault." So if he orders a month of sonar and gets AD2, isn't it "the machines fault"?
Not advocating piracy, but I do think that a software vendor has a responsibility to fix their machine.
I also think that publicly judging others has become an epidemic, usually worse than the crime.
And in this instance, its probably the previous customer who suffered the loss, not the vending machine. What if the person just shook the machine without paying anything and got 1 bag of chips? (That's a more apt analogy - I would argue in that case that it is stealing.) Again, you can argue the letter ("the machine" as you call it) but not the spirit. And I am not judging the person, I am judging the action and stating the probable consequences if enough people take that action. It boils down to integrity. Some people have it and some people don't. I don't want the ones that don't to penalize me.
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 11:06:02
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Mesh
Most people don't want to do the right thing and there are a minority few that like to see the right thing done...
How are you deciding what's right in this instance Mesh ?
I'm genuinely curious. I'm also for doing the right thing, but I first have to know what it is.
When I made my purchase, I bought Sonar Platinum as that's what Cakewalk was/is promoting/selling. What was included in Platinum was the AD2 = an added incentive to buy Platinum.........and not the other way around. Due to this new monthly membership program, it enables someone to get the whole Platinum package (for those that cannott afford or don't want to get it all at once) and for a very reasonable fee.......(BTW is a great thing that Cake is doing for it's customers). When people come in here just to exploit a loophole in getting AD2, I then decided and do believe that it's wrong. I certainly wouldn't want this to happen to me if I owned this business, and I'm quite sure most wouldn't. I'd be very dissappointed if Cake lost this good relationship with XLN Audio due to an exploitation of their softare. I for one, do like the direction that Cakewalk is taking. Of note, I've been a loyal customer (not a fanboi) to Cakewalk as they've given me a product I've truly enjoyed using, so in return, I'd like to support them to continue this good product.
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 11:46:22
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I don't think the loss would be to Addictive as Cake probably pays in full for each redemption code. Addictive doesn't have any monthly deals.
If I don't lock my bike and someone takes it it's still stealing but I'm sure gonna knock myself for not locking it. People are simply made to exploit the world. We can hope that most people won't, but I'm still gonna lock my bike.
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 12:02:22
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There appears to be the assumption that the AD2 stuff represents a lot of money. Maybe it doesn't. It is after all being given away, at least to those that buy a year's membership. Maybe it's worth so little that it's also being given away for those that buy a month's membership. Maybe the intent is to attract customers to both XLN and Cakewalk in a fashion they just can't resist. Maybe it's just good marketing. Maybe that's dishonest ?
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 12:15:40
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Using the internet to shame other people into correct action does not work. Judging other people does not work. But it allows the person doing the shaming to show "everyone else" that they are the ethical ones.
If there is a loophole, XLN and Cakewalk will either decide to fix it or not. Given the way the AD2 client integrates with the store, it should be easy to fix.
It might also be argued that they WANT people to attempt the loophole. Cakewalk gets a month fee ($50), XLn gets people hooked on AD2, and when they "fix their vending machine", the people who were using the loophole will need to resubscribe.
I am embarassed for people who crucify others on the internet to make themselves look good.
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 12:17:27
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I've never been able to make myself look good on the internet or IRL. 
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 12:27:16
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It boils down to integrity. Some people have it and some people don't. I don't want the ones that don't to penalize me.
let's try and keep the strutting of one's moral code down to a minimum. acting like some kind of saint on the internet is just silly. the OP got his answer and we can all go home and feel great about ourselves for whatever life choices we make.
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 12:28:41
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we can all go home and feel great about ourselves for whatever life choices we make.
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 12:48:21
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Just wonder why nobody can answer my simple question: whether AD2 is blocked or not after a month.
Cakewalk support, where are you?
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 12:53:30
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 13:14:33
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Just wonder why nobody can answer my simple question: whether AD2 is blocked or not after a month.
Cakewalk support, where are you?
No one has had a chance to order a month subscription and let it expire because it hasn't been out a month. Besides, most other people here already paid the full price. The only people who know how it works is XLN and cakewalk and I doubt they are giving any answers on this. Good luck. My bet is that it will not work after the subscription expires because kit licenses are checked when you launch AD2. The kit may physically be on your computer, but that doesn't mean AD2 will let you use it.
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Re: Sonar Platinum membership and Addictive Drums License
2015/02/10 13:19:29
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FreeFlyBertl
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Pretty sure AD is not locked to Sonar.
Could anyone with any other DAW installed check ...???
I purchased Sonar Platinum and installed AD2. It also functions in my Studio One DAW if this is what you are asking? Brian
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