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Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
I just followed a link that Beepster posted in another thread for optimizing audio performance. ( http://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/pc-optimization-guide-for-windows-7/ ) and it states (about 3/4 of the way down the page) to select "background services" instead of "programs" in "processor scheduling"...does that sound right to you guys (I've always heard it should be set to programs)? Thanks very much, Randy
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 17:56:55
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There USED to be tweaks folks would do in XP, and maybe other versions of Windows, but to the best of my knowledge, this particular tweak was suggested by Cakewalk staff to NOT be done any longer, with Windows 7 or beyond in any case.
I believe setting it to background services was to get it to do streaming audio better/faster, but if I recall correctly it may adversely affect program performance and may not be needed or desired any longer.
Are you having some sort of processing issues? If so, please list any tweaks you may have done - and give an indication of whether or not your drivers and Windows are up to current maintenance levels.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 18:25:10
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There USED to be tweaks folks would do in XP, and maybe other versions of Windows, but to the best of my knowledge, this particular tweak was suggested by Cakewalk staff to NOT be done any longer, with Windows 7 or beyond in any case.
I believe setting it to background services was to get it to do streaming audio better/faster, but if I recall correctly it may adversely affect program performance and may not be needed or desired any longer.
Are you having some sort of processing issues? If so, please list any tweaks you may have done - and give an indication of whether or not your drivers and Windows are up to current maintenance levels.
Bob Bone Hey Bobaloo, no I'm not having processor issues I just scanned the article to see if I might be missing anything and noticed this. It seems to me that "programs" was always the way to go but it might have been in one of the Sony Vegas forums. If one is not running anything in the background it seems it should be set to programs no? Thanks bud, Randy
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 19:23:26
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Hi, there... yeah there are a couple unnecessary things in there and I believe that is one of the not so recommended ones.
These days on a modern computer probably the only things that are relevant are the entries about disabling startup programs, making sure your power management settings are set to Max/Always On/etc and keeping an eye on things like antiviruses that are going to try to scan files and process as they do their thing (which can be done with whitelisting your audio stuff but I just turn the AV off when working).
Sorry for the confusion. There have been posts by the Bakers about this stuff and my very first thread asking about system optimization had some helpful comments specifically about which steps in the sweetwater guide should be avoided with Sonar. I may dig it up to double check.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 19:51:33
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Here is the thread from when I first optimized my system. The second post in that thread (by jm24) has the details on what to not do or maybe not do. http://forum.cakewalk.com/Today-is-sytem-optimization-day-m2580739.aspx Notice the dates on that thread... 2012. It was shortly after I first bought Sonar and joined the forum so I was a Beep in the woods. Very green, very stupid. However I did the tweaks mentioned and have not really touched that stuff since and my system works pretty well.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 20:07:22
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Most system tweaks are unnecessary in Windows 7 and beyond. Power settings and possibly checking AV programs and wireless cards are about it.
Much harm has been done, IMHO, by outdated tweaks. I have seen so many issues' in this forum' related to people reading old "Xp-type system tweaks advice" on the interweb
Having said that, my AV is on all the time (Norton), and I only disable my wireless card in mission critical situations..
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 20:11:46
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There was a thread while back where Cakewalk suggested that processor scheduling was best set for programs and not background services (sorry can't find it).
The big tweaks are setting min/max processor state (under control panel->power) to 100%, and possibly turning off Intel Speed step. In addition I would look at task scheduler to see if there are any tasks running that should not be running.
Also there are plenty of unnecessary services in Windows that do not need to be running (google for details).
I would never disable my virus scanner, rather I would exclude the regions where Sonar is active from real time scanning.
Cheers...
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 20:17:48
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2015/03/02 20:20:28
Rough rule of thumb - Unless you understand your computer/OS well enough to know what a particular "tweak" does - then leave it alone.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 20:26:35
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 20:51:30
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There are several pages in the new .pdf that has just become available for download on this very subject. It gives good advice on what should be tweaked for optimum performance. There is a whole chapter on computer, software (read Sonar preferences) and audio device setup. It does state that this subject is very specific to the computer in question and, of course, almost every computer is in someway slightly different in it's configuration from any other.
I found the subject of latency, and the tweaks available to overcome this, very easy to read and understand. I can't quite remember where I found the download but if you have trouble I'm sure someone else can chime in, and I can certainly help with the page numbers if needed.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 20:54:24
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Yup most of it is not rocket science. Be careful of course (don't do anything stupid like disable UAC for instance (does not improve performance anyway) or disable essential services), however what's far more important than performance tweeks is having a decent backup strategy.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 21:33:39
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Don't forget to turn off USB selective suspend (in the Power options advanced)
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 21:58:28
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The first thing I do is disable UAC. It's annoying.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 22:11:41
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There USED to be tweaks folks would do in XP, and maybe other versions of Windows, but to the best of my knowledge, this particular tweak was suggested by Cakewalk staff to NOT be done any longer, with Windows 7 or beyond in any case.
I believe setting it to background services was to get it to do streaming audio better/faster, but if I recall correctly it may adversely affect program performance and may not be needed or desired any longer.
Are you having some sort of processing issues? If so, please list any tweaks you may have done - and give an indication of whether or not your drivers and Windows are up to current maintenance levels.
Bob Bone
Hey Bobaloo, no I'm not having processor issues I just scanned the article to see if I might be missing anything and noticed this.
It seems to me that "programs" was always the way to go but it might have been in one of the Sony Vegas forums.
If one is not running anything in the background it seems it should be set to programs no?
Thanks bud,
Randy
I believe the default for that is to give Programs the edge, rather than background services. I haven't messed with any of those Viper or Black Viper tweaks since XP Pro. About all I tweak now is Power Management options, to leave it all maxed - high performance, never hibernate/sleep, turn off USB Selective Suspend, and I set Minimum Processor State to 100%. I ALSO go into my Network Adapter and turn off Selective Suspend there too, but that isn't a Sonar tweak, just a system tweak I do. But that's about it for me. Bob Bone
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/02 22:59:14
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/03 09:07:06
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Cool, I'll just leave it set to "programs" then...that just caught my eye while scanning the page and noticed it is the opposite of what I thought I'd heard for years.
Thanks guys,
Randy
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/03 18:20:41
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/03 21:32:03
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We were told long ago, other Daws run asio,... as background tasks.
Sonar runs them as daughter processes.
So don't change it.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/04 02:32:22
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You were sadly told wrong - ASIO is so clearly not a background task by Windows' definition of "background task". Worryingly, the internet is full of so-called experts who get treated as gurus.
Nor is it a "daughter process" (which is meaningless in Windows' terminology).
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/04 02:58:31
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The first thing I do is disable UAC. It's annoying.
Not a good idea sorry:
http://www.howtogeek.com/...-shouldnt-disable-uac/
I never had a problem after disabling it. I tend to do a lot more daring things with my systems.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/03/04 13:40:53
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You were sadly told wrong - ASIO is so clearly not a background task by Windows' definition of "background task". Worryingly, the internet is full of so-called experts who get treated as gurus.
Nor is it a "daughter process" (which is meaningless in Windows' terminology).
I was like just paraphrasing what was posted by a CW dude a few years ago. And what I read that indicated Steinberg recommended changing the setting to background tasks because of how their code handled ASIO. And that Sonar did not do it that way. Not meaningless: any process that is started and stopped by another process, that is listed as part of a process tree, is what we way old dudes call a daughter process.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/04/03 13:30:19
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I'm going to tweak the settings on my COMMODORE 64 to run SONAR XXX. I've got fastload so disk speed is not a problem. I'll keep my songs short and mostly MIDI tho as 64k of RAM is a bit stuffy for all that super high-end SONAR stuff!. ;) -Shawn Seriously, when I do a windows 7 install I always disable updates (WIN7 is perfect right out of the box, you don't need those big corporate security updates to make great music with SONAR XXX). Then I disable bit defender, system restore points, remote operation, action center notifications, UAC, & I think thats it! The machine runs great and if I'm on an older machine I will also "Optimize display for best performance". -Shawn Lee Farrell 
post edited by shawn@trustmedia.tv - 2015/04/03 13:39:04
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/04/03 16:16:36
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Actually there are C++ run time routines that are required for anything past X2a (I think that was the last one), and those routines only get installed as part of Service Pack 1 for Windows 7, so anyone choosing to ignore all Windows updates beyond their initial install should know that SP1 MUST be then part of that install, or Sonar X2b and beyond will not even install.
(For sure they won't run, but I think the installer fails if the maintenance level is not a min of Win 7 + SP1)
I would also never ever suggest to someone that they skip applying Microsoft updates, in addition to my comments above. It is certainly each user's choice as to how they approach things, but I am quite certain that Cakewalk and Microsoft, and a hugely disproportionate percentage of the users out there would also not recommend deliberately running without maintenance applied - as a blanket statement.
At the very least, running without current maintenance would almost certainly result in nobody providing any support for any issues - and I wouldn't run any business where I depend on what I use to have support available. If I found out a studio I was using ran in an unsupported fashion, I would be out of there in a heartbeat, to protect my work.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/04/04 23:20:28
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I'm going to tweak the settings on my COMMODORE 64 to run SONAR XXX. I've got fastload so disk speed is not a problem. I'll keep my songs short and mostly MIDI tho as 64k of RAM is a bit stuffy for all that super high-end SONAR stuff!. ;) -Shawn
Seriously, when I do a windows 7 install I always disable updates (WIN7 is perfect right out of the box, you don't need those big corporate security updates to make great music with SONAR XXX). Then I disable bit defender, system restore points, remote operation, action center notifications, UAC, & I think thats it! The machine runs great and if I'm on an older machine I will also "Optimize display for best performance".
These settings are perfect for anybody who doesn't install any software or connect to anything. Performance and stability fixes are of course distributed by MS for purposes of their own amusement, and of course nobody needs security ;)
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/04/05 01:34:08
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I think it would be quite cool to see a tweak list from the Bakers themselves!
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/04/05 11:25:04
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There seem to be two basic ideas about updates. One is if your DAW is working and your system is working, freeze it in its current state...don't update anything, and treat it like a multitrack tape tape recorder that doesn't need its heads cleaned. The disadvantage is you can't take advantage of changes and improvements that evolve over time.
The other is to keep on top of all updates for all software - DAW, system, plug-ins. The disadvantage is that something could "break" when you apply an update. Personally, I do the "all updates all the time" routine with the possible exception of upgrading operating systems. I'm still on Windows 7 and will likely skip Windows 8 altogether.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/04/05 11:53:33
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...if your DAW is working and your system is working, freeze it in its current state...don't update anything, and treat it like a multitrack tape tape recorder that doesn't need its heads cleaned. This is exactly why I'm happily running SONAR 8.5. Anderton
The other is to keep on top of all updates for all software - DAW, system, plug-ins...
They call it the "bleeding edge" for good reason...but I'm not dogmatic about it - I update Windows once every 10 years, whether it needs it or not.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/04/05 11:59:27
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This s a myth now. This was for before PC have exploded in power!!! Any new PC that has been built in the past 8 years, give or take doesn't need background services adjusted. today's PC's are too strong. Little simple BG services running in your background will not effect Sonar at all.
The only thing you need to do with a new PC or one that has been built recently (8 years old) is to adjust your power options to always on (USB and FW hubs also). That is it!!!
CJ
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/04/05 13:39:18
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And stop all auto updates, and auto tasks such as system performance, and defrag,...that will start whether or not they are set to not interfere.
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Re: Adjust for best performance of "background services"?
2015/04/05 20:17:21
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This s a myth now. This was for before PC have exploded in power!!! Any new PC that has been built in the past 8 years, give or take doesn't need background services adjusted. today's PC's are too strong. Little simple BG services running in your background will not effect Sonar at all.
The only thing you need to do with a new PC or one that has been built recently (8 years old) is to adjust your power options to always on (USB and FW hubs also). That is it!!!
CJ
For once I find myself mostly agreeing with CJ - well I never. I would also update software, Windows etc., with the option to restore, just in case.
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