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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 14:42:58 (permalink)
I'm a bit wary of the proposition, as I think mixing is kind of a game of inches, and no one particular thing provides a huge difference on its own.
 
However, I'll throw in this: once I decided never to spend more than a day on a mix, the rate at which I got better went through the roof. Coming back and making refinements on a recall is fine. But if I'm generally not happy with a mix, I never tweak what I've got, I flatten it and start again.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 14:51:24 (permalink)
1. Use a High Pass Filter on almost every track to clean up the sound but also to free up headroom.  Example: Acoustic guitar thumps and rumbles below 100-150 HZ just take up space.
2. Make sure the bass and kick complement each other.  Example 1: You might cut the kick around 300 hz to eliminate muddiness, but either boost the bass there or just leave it alone so it is defined in that range. (All depends on the song and instruments.)  Example 2: Decide which of those sounds is going to represent your low-end power and get the other one out of the way.  You don't want a lot of 40-80 hz on both sounds.
 
You can see from this that I consider getting the low end right the most problematic area. 

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 15:21:25 (permalink)
Building effective sound absorption, ARC, thus reference material and my mixes more accurately. A very close #2 is CUT - DON'T BOOST! There's a large number of small things that contribute that is growing steadily in my world.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 15:45:02 (permalink)
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You can see from this that I consider getting the low end right the most problematic area. 


Amen brother. I still have yet to solve this, but I have a feeling that 12 stylus loops stacked on top of eachother plus a monster trilian bass patch aren't helping my bottom end. Lol

If I could rewatch that fabfilter vid on the exact carve/space concept everyday I would. And should!!
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 16:00:44 (permalink)
Learning how to gain stage properly
Cutting instead of boosting
Room treatment (partial)
Listening to mixes on as many systems as possible
Not being afraid  nuke entire clips

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 16:46:13 (permalink)
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konradh
You can see from this that I consider getting the low end right the most problematic area. 


Amen brother. I still have yet to solve this, but I have a feeling that 12 stylus loops stacked on top of eachother plus a monster trilian bass patch aren't helping my bottom end. Lol

If I could rewatch that fabfilter vid on the exact carve/space concept everyday I would. And should!!



I find you have to carve a ton out of the low end of Trilian patches. 

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 16:49:02 (permalink)
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1. Use a High Pass Filter on almost every track to clean up the sound but also to free up headroom.  Example: Acoustic guitar thumps and rumbles below 100-150 HZ just take up space.
2. Make sure the bass and kick complement each other.  Example 1: You might cut the kick around 300 hz to eliminate muddiness, but either boost the bass there or just leave it alone so it is defined in that range. (All depends on the song and instruments.)  Example 2: Decide which of those sounds is going to represent your low-end power and get the other one out of the way.  You don't want a lot of 40-80 hz on both sounds.
 
You can see from this that I consider getting the low end right the most problematic area. 




I recently stopped high passing the crap out of everything and I think it sounds better. What I do instead is give things a moderate HPF cut around 80Hz or so (higher depending on the frequency range of the instrument), and reduce the low frequencies where necessary with a low shelf. I think if you HPF too much you lose a lot of the warmth in the mix and things end up sounding too brittle. Whereas if you use a shelf to attenuate the lows instead of getting rid of them completely, you stop them muddying up the mix whilst retaining some of the warmth. 

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 16:54:04 (permalink)
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cut instead of boost


yes mister!




I think this depends on the style of music. When people advise you to cut instead of boost, they're talking about the fact that boosts can sound unnatural. In some styles of music, especially contemporary and electronic styles, this might be just fine because you're not exactly aiming to make things sound natural. The artifacts of a boost might just be what you want. I'm always surprised when I see producers like Dave Pensado work with EQ, they sometimes use huge boosts as well as low-Q cuts (we're always told to cut narrow and boost wide). But I guess that according to their professional hit-producing ears, those boosts worked. 
 
A similar thing applies to the old "use reverb to make everything sound like it's in the same space" advice. Again this is very helpful if you're trying to make a mix sound like a band playing in a room, but sometimes that's not what you want and a mashup of different reverbs gives you the sound you want. 

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 17:37:46 (permalink)
I've learned SO SO much from this group over the years. I think one of the single biggest jumps in my mixes came from learning how to gain stage - in particular how to use VU style meters to gain stage. There is a great thread that really made a difference for me...
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 18:19:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/08 18:24:55
Don't waste 4 hours trying to use all the "nifty tools and gadgets" we have to correct something that could as easily be done by 10 minutes of re-tracking.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 18:26:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/03/08 20:59:07
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Don't waste 4 hours trying to use all the "nifty tools and gadgets" we have to correct something that could as easily be done by 10 minutes of re-tracking.


That one really hits home. I have a student I work with that constantly wants us to work miracles with bad takes that could be so easily fixed by just doing it right. This same guy is always asking me why another guy's songs sound so much better than his. I show him the project which has very little in terms of effects and illustrate that the key was rock solid tracking that eliminates the need for a million fixes. 
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 18:44:31 (permalink)
Lots of answers to this, but the most recent is: keep the levels down.
I've started using K-12 metering with Izotope's Insight, and keeping the loudness at about -24 LUFS.
Everything got easier.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 23:29:22 (permalink)
I know you asked for (at least implied) the _one_ most significant gadget/event/feature, but I only have the energy/initiative to narrow down to four.
 
1) The release of Cakewalk Pro Audio, meaning that I (and countless others) could go non-linear & non-analog, ditching the tape recorder and the smtpe striping and the splicing block. For better or worse? You decide!
 
2) The "Project 5" era, when Cakewalk tried to expand outside its box (and its comfort zone) into new audio technology areas. With the actual P5 program, I include all the RGC audio stuff that came with it, including those trusty synths that became, and are still, a mainstay of creativity for me .
 
3) The regular inclusion of different third-party plugins, even (maybe especially) the "demo" versions. CW introduced me to PSP Audio, for example, and Melodyne, and others, which are now part of my, er, "signature sound".
 
4) The people I've encountered in these CW forums and their advice, tips, insights, philosophizing and dust-ups. Goodness golly, what a treasure these posts are (Um, I don't have to include the Coffeehouse in this, do I?), what an influence on my mixing (and a lot of other more-or-less audio/music related topics)! [Swell the Max Steiner score.]

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 23:43:27 (permalink)
To get that pop country bass sound that almost sounds like just a constant strong bass tone, I used the phase rotator
in stardust vst then followed that with a limiter and slammed it all.
 
Seems to have got me closer.
 
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 23:48:22 (permalink)
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To get that pop country bass sound that almost sounds like just a constant strong bass tone, I used the phase rotator
in stardust vst then followed that with a limiter and slammed it all.
 
Seems to have got me closer.
 


Man I'd love to hear that!!!!  Anything online to listen to?
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/09 00:53:06 (permalink)
Don't overlook some of the most simple/fundamental tools.
High-pass filters allow you to achieve great clarity and separation.
ie:  There's nothing meaningful in vocal or guitar tracks down in the sub-bass range.  Filtering that out leaves space for kick and bass... and yields greater clarity.
 
 

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/10 10:55:07 (permalink)
As a follow up to my own thread...first, thanks for all who contributed.  I literally made a list of things I need to try/do/get better at as a result of your suggestions.  Two HUGE things that have a made a big difference in my mixes as a direct result of ideas presented here are:
 
1)  Gain staging.  I thought I was doing it right the whole time using Satson Channel and Buss, but was still running way too hot into my master bus.  Fix...TURN THE FREAKING BUSES DOWN.  Solved.
 
2)  Dave Pensado video about M/S stuff, cleaning up low end, and sweetening the mix.  This video is incredible if you haven't seen it.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKnRRrER718
 
Cheers everyone!!!!
 
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/13 12:01:08 (permalink)
That's going to go against what you said earlier, but I find if I highpass the mix, like, heavily - it sounds more together, more pleasant and closer to a radio ready release.And I do that after I highpassed guitars, high pitched keyboards and made room for bass and drums to breathe down there.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/13 12:07:56 (permalink)
It's more in general operation terms, but spending time to learn and set shortcut keys immensely sped up my workflow. Also, the five minutes I spent looking at a speed comping tutorial (for X3) have been the single best invested five minutes I've put in the program.
 
For the rest, I'll have to go with some of the obvious ones; highpassing a lot of stuff and parallel compression.
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/13 12:23:16 (permalink)
There are several aha moments - but in keeping with the OP's request.
 
- Begin "every mix track" (except Kick / Bass / or needed low freq) with a Hi-pass filter rolling off at least 60-80Hz and otherwise Flat Lined Eq.
 
Only adjust for slight eq sweetening and mix placement for individual tracks near the end of the project.

 
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