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COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
This time it's gone too far. I keep loading the Coffee House and then backing straight out. 
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/23 07:08:55
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This time it's gone too far. I keep loading the Coffee House and then backing straight out.
Did eye get drunk this morning and forget???
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/23 10:29:27
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That is really weird.
I didn't know we had the same psychiatrist. There's something wrong with the red Jell-O, by the way.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/23 11:03:45
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I find them all absolutely side-splittingly hilarious.
And it's good to see that at least one of our hosts doesn't seem to think that the Spam and Flooding section of the CoC regarding "Posting senseless, inane, or empty messages to increase your post count, or simply to aggravate, is not only dumb but is not allowed “Flooding” (continually posting the same topic on a particular board, posting the same question across several forums, or posting an unreasonable number of threads in one day) is also not going to win you any friends and could result in a banning." does not apply to him.
I'd considered following his own advice and report him to a Cakewalk employee. However, judging from recent experience, the chances of even having such a missive acknowledged, let alone replied to, or, heaven forbid, acted upon, are precisely nil.
Mind you, there might be one host who might look upon such a complaint favourably.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/23 11:10:41
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Sorry it offends you, Steve.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/23 11:11:09
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/23 13:21:48
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☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2015/04/24 16:54:36
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And it's good to see that at least one of our hosts doesn't seem to think that the Spam and Flooding section of the CoC regarding "Posting senseless, inane, or empty messages to increase your post count, or simply to aggravate, is not only dumb but is not allowed “Flooding” (continually posting the same topic on a particular board, posting the same question across several forums, or posting an unreasonable number of threads in one day) is also not going to win you any friends and could result in a banning." does not apply to him.
Funny I read that and I don't see anything there about lame jokes that are (allegedly) intended to amuse someone rather than increase post count or aggravate. Perhaps you should consider reading what's actually written rather than pretending it says what you want it to say to suit your issues.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/23 15:22:28
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Did I miss the meeting? No memo?
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/23 17:09:29
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Steve, here's one forum host who agrees with you. Those pointless posts push more interesting things off the first page, diminishing the value of this subforum. BUT...if we start banning senseless and inane posts, the Coffee House would empty out quickly. It would lose its character and its characters. The challenge for those of us who'd like to increase the meat-to-fat ratio is to post more meaty stuff. Like this one: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Crap-Jokes-anyone-m1601078.aspx
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/23 17:52:39
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Steve, here's one forum host who agrees with you. Those pointless posts push more interesting things off the first page, diminishing the value of this subforum.
My first CH page here still has posts from 6 days ago. How long do people think it is appropriate before regarding stuff falling off of the first page as a "problem"? I'm asking seriously, but understand I am not endorsing an excess of pointless threads here, just questioning whether this is a real, actual problem in this particular subforum. I understand that what some might find amusing, others find to be annoying and useless clutter. Personally, I don't care what people post either way.
The challenge for those of us who'd like to increase the meat-to-fat ratio is to post more meaty stuff.
Are you sure you want to encourage people to post "more meaty stuff"? This is the CH, remember. 
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/23 18:05:06
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/04/23 20:16:00
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BUT...if we start banning senseless and inane posts, the Coffee House would empty out quickly. It would lose its character and its characters.
Totally agree with what you say here - it can get a bit monotonous/tiring at times, but it's a part of what makes it what it is and on the whole I wouldn't want to mess with that too much......... BUT... what I will say is that the host that I think Steve is referring to has previously threatened me (and maybe others, I don't know) with a ban for violation of the CoC for doing exactly the same thing as he himself had done on the current front page of the forum at that time. I think this is the point Steve is making. It's not really about the inane posts as such, but more about consistency from those who sometimes choose to quote the rules and threaten consequences, yet somehow manage to exempt themselves from the same rules when it suits them.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/23 20:07:39
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Steve, here's one forum host who agrees with you. Those pointless posts push more interesting things off the first page, diminishing the value of this subforum.
My first CH page here still has posts from 6 days ago. How long do people think it is appropriate before regarding stuff falling off of the first page as a "problem"? I'm asking seriously, but understand I am not endorsing an excess of pointless threads here, just questioning whether this is a real, actual problem in this particular subforum. I understand that what some might find amusing, others find to be annoying and useless clutter. Personally, I don't care what people post either way.
The challenge for those of us who'd like to increase the meat-to-fat ratio is to post more meaty stuff.
Are you sure you want to encourage people to post "more meaty stuff"? This is the CH, remember.
Drew, I may be wrong, but I think Bitflipper was, albeit a little sarcastically, calling me out as a hypocrite. Maybe... I can understand that. But then again, I'm not a forum host. It's not like I have any power at all when it comes to policing others' posting behaviour. As I've said before, I honestly believe that hosts should set an example, otherwise how can anyone be expected to respect their decisions when they rule on others' misdemeanours? Clearly, I've never had a problem with us having a bit of a laugh and joke in here, I just don't understand the appeal of clogging the place up with these title-variation threads. If anything, I think it's a bit selfish - if anyone wants to be part of a community that simply regurgitates different versions of a thread title and finds it amusing, why not start your own forum and do it there? I'll wager such activity isn't in evidence in the Corner Pub? I know the Coffee House is given some leeway compared to other forums here, but mocking or parodying other thread titles in any of the other forums would be stamped on immediately. Incidentally, to deflect any criticism of my not following the correct procedure by simply b 1tching about it in here, before I posted my thoughts above, I officially reported the matter to a forum host who I thought might at least be sympathetic to my cause. But in keeping with his policy of ignoring anything I say, he still hasn't even had the common decency to even acknowledge my Private Message, even though he read it over five hours ago. It's good to know the system works.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/23 20:54:34
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Incidentally, to deflect any criticism of my not following the correct procedure by simply b1tching about it in here, before I posted my thoughts above, I officially reported the matter to a forum host who I thought might at least be sympathetic to my cause. But in keeping with his policy of ignoring anything I say, he still hasn't even had the common decency to even acknowledge my Private Message, even though he read it over five hours ago.
It's good to know the system works.
The official way to report such matters is to use the abuse reporting system Steve, as you are well aware. However in this case it was recognised that your PM was intended as an official report and thus was given discussion. I was tasked with resolving the issue, but in the couple of hours that passed while I had personal errands to run the threads in question dropped down the page, as I thought they would. If they're not replied to further then they'll keep dropping. You are aware that the rules are more relaxed in the CH, and while I'm not condoning everyone filling the place with such threads, the occasional few will be left to run their course.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/24 13:21:05
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☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2015/04/24 14:01:32
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I know the Coffee House is given some leeway compared to other forums here, but mocking or parodying other thread titles in any of the other forums would be stamped on immediately.
Do you mean like when 7 or 8 threads appear in the SONAR forum about a new release of RapturePro or some such product announcement? Happens all the time and while not "parody" threads not a one gets deleted nor are any combined. They just prattle on. And let's not get started on the "subscription model" threads back in January. That was worse than any given day in the CH with 7-10 parody titles, IMO. I think the hosts and in particular Anderton had numb fingers for a week.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/24 14:41:02
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...I think Bitflipper was, albeit a little sarcastically, calling me out as a hypocrite. Yeh, a little. But "hypocrite" is too strong. I didn't mean it to be snarky, and I really do agree with you. My point was simply that the threshold of unacceptable frivolity is higher here than in other subforums, and that's what gives this place its character. Not every joke resonates with everybody, but that's OK. I used to pan for gold recreationally. The first principle you learn is that when gold panning, you're going to discard a LOT of sand before being rewarded with an occasional nugget.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/24 16:39:04
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My opinion of the coffee house is that it should be a place for creative frivolity, there are plenty of areas on the forum for respectful discussion.
It's nice to have a place to let off steam, for people to be silly, to express themselves as they wish as long as they aren't hurting anyone else (or animals)...
Long may the coffee house remain a place for free expression!
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/26 08:52:54
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Karyn
The official way to report such matters is to use the abuse reporting system Steve, as you are well aware.
So how might I go about reporting this post, hypothetically speaking of course?  Would I be correct in assuming that hosts are immune from being 'officially' reported in their 'designated' forums? The 'Report Abuse' button seems to be conveniently missing compared to others' posts: 
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/26 10:18:14
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I credit you as being a responsible, intelligent adult Steve. Please explain why you continue to ask this when you've been given the answer before.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/26 10:54:11
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I credit you as being a responsible, intelligent adult Steve. Please explain why you continue to ask this when you've been given the answer before.
There's no need to patronise me, but maybe you're wrong in crediting me with any intelligence, because I still don't know what to do 'officially' if I want to report a post made by a host (in their designated forum/s) if there is no "Report Abuse" button available. The thread you link to contains some useful suggestions, but no official protocol one should follow. The advice seems to be to send a PM to a Cakewalk employee - can you clarify if that is the 'official' way to report a host? Just out of interest, why does the 'Report Abuse' option not appear in a host's post?
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/26 11:03:20
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Another quick question while I have your attention...
Is it accepted practice for a host not to even acknowledge an 'official' complaint made to them?
I only ask because I sent John a PM regarding the proliferation of 'copycat' threads. He hasn't acknowledged this message, let alone offered me an explanation of any action that may or may not have ensued with respect to my grievance.
I realise you mentioned earlier in this thread that the matter was discussed, but why isn't John capable of replying to me in person. You obviously have no idea how frustrating such aloofness and impoliteness can be.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/26 17:36:41
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Your "official complaint" was dealt with properly and correctly. You sent a PM to a Host, your complaint was discussed, a course of action was decided and I was assigned to deal with it. When a complaint is submitted there are no guarantees that a single Host will be the sole contact. SteveStrummerUK
Just out of interest, why does the 'Report Abuse' option not appear in a host's post?
If it's any consolation, I don't see a "Report Abuse" button on any of your posts either.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/27 08:05:04
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Regarding this thread's topic, I have to agree with Sharke.
It's becoming creepier than google and feels very cliquey. Seeing today's flavour of the GBFOM Coffee House thread title felt rather intrusive. However, if it's the wishes of a select band of forum members to make the CH a private club for themselves, I guess there's not a lot others can do about it.
This is rather a shame as off-topic forums can be good places to get to know people and discuss a wide variety of topics. However, life is way too short as they say, so I think the best solution for me personally is to simply filter this particular forum out from the list and wish bon voyage for all who continue to sail on in her.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/27 13:00:19
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☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2015/04/27 13:13:31
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Regarding this thread's topic, I have to agree with Sharke.
It's becoming creepier than google and feels very cliquey. Seeing today's flavour of the GBFOM Coffee House thread title felt rather intrusive. However, if it's the wishes of a select band of forum members to make the CH a private club for themselves, I guess there's not a lot others can do about it.
I'm sorry but "I don't like certain things, so no one should post them" equals private club. "Post whatever you want within reason and within the terms of the CoC" is not a private club. Not even remotely. It's one thing to do as Sharke did and express a distaste for certain things. Perhaps people will consider it and act accordingly. Or not. But people rationalizing why others should or shouldn't behave in a particular way that they don't like for whatever reason is another thing entirely. If you're looking for a place where no one will ever post anything you dislike and no one will ever argue with you, you're not going to find it on the interwebs.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/27 15:07:46
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/04/27 15:17:43
I admit, I've been known to post the occasional idiotic copycat fred title with an equally stupid post. I can say that I've posted a sizable chunk of blatant and inexplicably inane buffonery. In fact, a wood chipper operator could probably count my intelligent posts on one hand with his remaining digits. I rely on smart people with actual knowledge and skills to impart wisdom and insight. I'm here to lower property values and make everyone else look hysterically intelligent by comparison. Since I know that I'm a ghastly cave-dwelling thing, I try to limit the amount of IQ-lowering idiocy I inflict on normal people. That's due to the fact that I seek to avoid crowds with pitchforks and torches.
The TBRSTBA (Trolls, Bell Ringers, Swamp Things & Bubbas Association) holds regular self-help meetings where we share our experiences with one another. As a result, I can understand how thinking people might not enjoy the bilious miasma of lunacy which spews out of our heads. They have standards. For this reason, when I hear grumbling about the condition of the Coffee House, I know that there may be a run on pitchforks and torches in the near future, and I should get back in my cave where I belong.
All I'm sayin' is that I can understand how too much buffoonery can lessen the enjoyment of the forum for some folks, and I don't like to make that happen. As far as reporting abuse is concerned, I can see the same link issue that Steve pointed out (forum hosts do not have a "report abuse" link and regular folk do have one), but I'm not sure that's a deliberate choice. I suspect that this is due to our beloved forum software's limitations on how a forum host can function. That seems much more likely to me than the idea that some folks became forum hosts as a strategic step in their plan for World Domination.
It's not that I have anything against World Domination, you understand. It's just that I don't think the world is quite the prize everybody else thinks it is.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/04/27 20:37:42
For the record, I'm not against copycat thread titles per se. I've posted a couple in my time. I just wanted to point out that when I visit the Coffee House and the first page of posts is dominated by them, I hit the back button. 1 or 2 is funny, 6 or 7 consecutive ones looks like the forum has been spammed.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/27 20:33:45
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Regarding this thread's topic, I have to agree with Sharke.
It's becoming creepier than google and feels very cliquey. Seeing today's flavour of the GBFOM Coffee House thread title felt rather intrusive. However, if it's the wishes of a select band of forum members to make the CH a private club for themselves, I guess there's not a lot others can do about it.
I'm sorry but "I don't like certain things, so no one should post them" equals private club.
"Post whatever you want within reason and within the terms of the CoC" is not a private club. Not even remotely.
It's one thing to do as Sharke did and express a distaste for certain things. Perhaps people will consider it and act accordingly. Or not.
But people rationalizing why others should or shouldn't behave in a particular way that they don't like for whatever reason is another thing entirely.
If you're looking for a place where no one will ever post anything you dislike and no one will ever argue with you, you're not going to find it on the interwebs.
Drew, I'm sorry, but clogging the place up with repetitive, pointless nonsense is plain selfish, simple as. I've had Coffee House regulars both current and past contact me and complain that the place has turned very cliquey, and I have to agree with those that say that some treat it like their own private forum. Before I started to lose interest in this place, I felt like I belonged to worldwide group of friends. A group that shared a camaraderie and a common sense of humour - coming here was akin to actually meeting up with your acquaintances in a 'real' coffee house to have a chat. Things obviously change over time. People come and people go. But over time, I've noticed that the core group has shrunk and shrunk, now it's only a small handful of people who might be considered 'regulars'. And I'm afraid that their actions and interactions have become, to me anyway, frequently banal and predictable to the point of tedium. The same handful of people seem to feel the need to comment on every single thread, often just to make some trite, hackneyed or prosaic witticism. I simply don't understand why a group of obviously intelligent people feel the need to post so much wearisome drivel all the time. I'm all for having a laugh, I'm capable of being as puerile as the next chap, but so much of the attempted humour that litters up the place only seems to be appreciated by the same 'cliquey' few who post it. To suggest that one should simply put up with it or leave is an atrocious attitude to have. Why shouldn't those who disagree with how the Coffee House functions try and change it? Or at least be able to express an honest opinion? I'm afraid that the more you censure those that criticise you and a few other for treating the CH as their own, the more you actually reinforce the opinion that this is actually the case.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/27 22:43:41
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I thought the Cakewalk folks had indicated this, but if ANYONE has an issue with a forum host, please please please feel free to send a PM to the Cakewalk folks with the complaint.
If it is in regard to a particular post or thread, I would suggest you paste the Permalink for the thread/post in question into your PM to them, so that they can review exactly what you would be describing to them in the rest of the body of your complaint.
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Re: COPYCAT THREAD TITLES
2015/04/28 01:18:46
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It should be noted that I have restrained myself by not posting in this thread. 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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