Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug?

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2015/05/04 01:48:21 (permalink)

Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug?

Put two tracks in a folder.   Leave folder open.    Open PRV for both of the tracks in the same PRV window.   Select one track by clicking in the PRV's Track Pane.  Add a note.   Select the other track by clicking in the PRV's track pane.  Add a note.    All works fine.  
 
Now go back to Track View, close the folder.    Return to PRV.   Select one track, add a note.   Attempt to select the other track ... can't be done.   Your new notes will go into the other track, even though it will appear that the desired track is selected (it is highlighted in the PRV's Track pane).
 
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    Bristol_Jonesey
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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 03:33:07 (permalink)

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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 03:54:09 (permalink)
    I can't make it happen. It works as expected on my end.
     
    I tried two different ways. With the PRV in the multi-dock at the bottom half of screen. And with the multi-dock expanded full screen.
     
    I can select which ever track I want with the folder open or closed.
     
    [edit] I can also add notes to the tracks I select and they go to that track I select.
     

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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 04:19:35 (permalink)
    The work-around to the PRV selection problem with a closed folder is strangely the same as that in post http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3216130.  Open a Console view and selections in the PRV track list should start working.
     
    I back tracked through Sonar versions and found that the selection problems with folders started in Sonar X3.  This version was the first to use a highlighted track name to indicate an "Active" track.  I think I recall that the method of "Active" track indication was changed because track color options were added.
     
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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 07:38:48 (permalink)
    Can't reproduce it. Works absolutely fine here.

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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 07:40:25 (permalink)
    Having the console view open or closed, and docked, has made no difference, but I wonder: I use multiple 'floated' PRV windows , so perhaps this is an issue only for floated PRV tracks?
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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 07:48:22 (permalink)
    williamcopper
    I use multiple 'floated' PRV windows , so perhaps this is an issue only for floated PRV tracks?


     
    There must be some other cause. I still cannot reproduce it, with multiple floated PRVs, with the folder closed.

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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 07:57:14 (permalink)
    This is strange.
     
    I'm finding it's system specific.
     
    Behaviour is as expected on one machine but is working as described by williamcopper on my laptop

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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 08:56:40 (permalink)
    Just to explore further, I created a new project, "normal" template, which is the sonar default I have not changed.   This is Platinum, latest release, Windows 7, but I believe the bug is old.    This happens on my system regardless of whether the PRV is floated or docked. 
     
    These steps probably don't matter, but they are how I just did it:
    1.   Float inspector
    2.  Close inspector. 
    3.   Close Console view.  
    Then:
    4., 5., 6.  Create a midi track.  Create a midi track.  Create a midi track.  
    7.  Select the two lower tracks, right click, select move to new folder. 
    8. With folder open, select the two tracks that are in the folder. 
    9. Open PRV. 
    10.  Draw a note in the first PRV track (track 2 in the Track Window).
    11.   Select the other PRV track (track 3) 
    12.  Draw a note in track 3.    All ok.
     
    Now:
    13. Leaving PRV open, close the Folder in Track Window.
    14. Return to PRV: attempt to create a note in alternate tracks by selecting the track in the PRV track pane.
      Can't be done:  all the notes go onto the track that was selected when the folder was closed. 
     
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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 09:04:43 (permalink)
    Correction to the above:    It appears that closing the Console View, as SquireBum said, makes a difference in this simple procedure, though as I posted above, in a more complicated set up, opening a Console View did not help:  perhaps never closing console view is necessary?  
     
    Just re-did the same procedure, omitting only "close console view".   The track selection worked correctly.  Then I closed Console View, and the bug came back.  
     
    Then I OPENED console view again, and the bug REMAINED.   Aha. 
     
     
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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 09:31:32 (permalink)
    Following your steps in post #9, I can now reproduce it.

    My advice: Many of bugs of this level that I reported more than a year ago haven't been fixed yet. So I would imagin this won't be fixed soon, either. It's better to just collapse the Console view and never close it.

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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 09:39:56 (permalink)
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    Then I OPENED console view again, and the bug REMAINED.   Aha.

    I could reproduce the bug, except this part. Once I have console open track switching works. Once it is closed, it no longer works.
     
    I see a difference in track activation. When console is open, current track (highlighted) follows track selection in PRV. And there is nothing visibly active in the track view. Once console is closed, an attempt to switch tracks in PRV activate unrelated track (in your example Track 1) in the track view. Once console is open again, it also indicate Track 1 as active before switching in PRV.

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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 10:48:58 (permalink)
    This is a very minor bug, of course, but I wonder if it doesn't indicate something that might be more serious, the kind of thing that eventually results in mysterious failures with high track and clip counts.  Whether a track is visible or not should not have anything to do with whether it is selected or not. 
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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 10:57:03 (permalink)
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    Then I OPENED console view again, and the bug REMAINED.   Aha.

    I could reproduce the bug, except this part. Once I have console open track switching works. Once it is closed, it no longer works.
     
    I see a difference in track activation. When console is open, current track (highlighted) follows track selection in PRV. And there is nothing visibly active in the track view. Once console is closed, an attempt to switch tracks in PRV activate unrelated track (in your example Track 1) in the track view. Once console is open again, it also indicate Track 1 as active before switching in PRV.


     
    Yes, the Console view must remain open.
     
    As I noted in post #4, I tested earlier versions of Sonar back to 8.5.3.  The first version that I could reproduce the problem was in version X3e.  X3 was the first version to use highlighted Track names for "Active" track indicator.
    Earlier versions used a highlighted track or folder to indicate an "Active" track.
     
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    Following your steps in post #9, I can now reproduce it.

    My advice: Many of bugs of this level that I reported more than a year ago haven't been fixed yet. So I would imagin this won't be fixed soon, either. It's better to just collapse the Console view and never close it.




    I completely agree. 
     
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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 11:01:43 (permalink)
    williamcopper
    This is a very minor bug, of course, but I wonder if it doesn't indicate something that might be more serious, the kind of thing that eventually results in mysterious failures with high track and clip counts.  Whether a track is visible or not should not have anything to do with whether it is selected or not. 




    I do not believe this is related to track and clip counts, because it can be reproduced with low track counts.  I think it has to do with the "Active" track indicator and could show up in any function that depends on an "Active" track selection.  If I were a Cakewalk developer I would start looking at the code changes that were made for "Active" track in X3. 
     
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    Re: Another peculiar folders and track selection interation, bug? 2015/05/04 12:53:42 (permalink)
    Just discovered that the PRV functions as expected when selecting a note using the Smart Tool in a multi-track PRV to change tracks instead of using the PRV track list.  This works even without an open Console view.
    This workaround assumes there are notes already in the tracks.
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