CedricM
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Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
Hi, I'm a hobby musician and I have used Sonar for many many years, presently using Sonar Producer X3 e. I just heard about the new Sonar, and would like the opinion of people who bought or upgraded to Sonar Platinum, sound professionals, musicians or hobbysts. - Is it worth it? Do you recommend one-time payment or 12-month payment? - What makes the upgrade worth for you? - How do you like the additional features/content you get over time? - Did you evaluate other products such as ProTools 12 and why did you opt for Sonar? Thanks, Cedric
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 11, 15 10:01 AM
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The proper solo/mute of drum maps alone was worth the upgrade (for me). Followed by mix scenes and Vocal sync. The AD2 voucher was nice but since I already owned nearly the whole AD2 product I negotiated with XLN and the voucher was used to complete my setup to (finally) complete my ownership of all XLN MIDI Packs, kit pieces and kits. It just ended up being a dollar for dollar swap. One time payment is cheaper, but 12 months is good if you're strapped for cash. or your significant other is against all that outlay at once. I already own Reaper 4.x, Harrison Mixbus and Studio One Pro V2. SONAR is my main DAW that is why I upgraded.
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 11, 15 10:14 AM
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I found the improved control bar to be worth the X3 to Sonar 2015 upgrade. What level of Sonar is entirely up to you.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 11, 15 10:21 AM
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> - What makes the upgrade worth for you? Bug fixes.
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 11, 15 10:25 AM
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I too own several DAWs which I have for compatability with other studios. I'm now retired, so perhaps I'm now a hobbyist, who knows. I've been a regular Cakewalk user and upgrade every version as Sonar. It suits most of my needs more than any other single DAW. I've tried most of the PC based DAWs.
I think it is good value for money and while I started off on the monthly plan, an eBay sale allowed me to get the money to change to the one time payment. There's flexibility that gives you a choice you never had before.
Doing paid work for others means having to work quickly and efficiently. When it comes to providing a variety of mixes for a client (or personal as the case may be) auditions, there's nothing quite like Mix Recall to make the whole process of creating and reverting to alternate versions of a mix, child's play.
Vocalsync aligns vocal tracks in a matter of moments. An incredibly useful tool. The monthly content has been guitar centric because it's being provided by Craig Anderton and provides a useful set of additional tools (not just for guitar) that demonstrate the wide range of creative tools buried within Sonar. Like being able to create unique fx using Sonars inbuilt fx chain creator function. It allows you to creat new fx modules by joining existing ones together in new and interesting ways.
One of the most remarkable things about Cakewalk's membership is the monthly release of not only content, but the latest harvest of newly developed features and fixes for the monthly release cycle. This ensures a constant dribble of new features and fixes ensuring Sonar remains fresh and up to date.
I hope that helps you. I noticed you only have a few posts so welcome to the forum. Enjoy your time here. It's one of Cakewalk's greatest assets.
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 11, 15 10:26 AM
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Getting AD2 and other content (plus some work flow upgrades) for a minor monthly outlay!
Grum.
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 11, 15 10:27 AM
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I experienced significant stability and performance improvements moving from X3e to S-Plat.
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 11, 15 11:01 AM
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Well worth it. I have tools to get me through what I couldn't do before.
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 11, 15 11:43 AM
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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CedricM
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 11, 15 11:58 AM
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Thanks for the inputs! Anything new on the step sequencer front?
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mudgel
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 11, 15 12:05 AM
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 11, 15 1:14 PM
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AD2 was the kicker, but I do like the mix scenes and PRV improvements.
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charlyg
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 11, 15 1:16 PM
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Minor detour if you please. I had EZD2 for drum loops already, and when I looked at AD2, it seemed more for drummers and kbd players.. I wouldn't mind an opinion or two on how AD2 does loops. Tx guys, CharlyG
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CedricM
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 11, 15 3:01 PM
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mudgel Not sure if you've seen these pages so here's some links.
Thanks, I had not found the blog entry, which was quite detailed. So lots of good things and I think I'll have to upgrade sooner than later. My only regret is that nothing seems to be done for the matrix view and/or quickly prototyping a song such as with Ableton Live or Fruity loops, which is a shame. To my knowledge, none of the major DAW supports a Live workflow, this could be a unique selling point for a future version of Sonar: super quick writing + super fine adjustments / changes.
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 12, 15 6:12 AM
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charlyg Minor detour if you please. I had EZD2 for drum loops already, and when I looked at AD2, it seemed more for drummers and kbd players.. I wouldn't mind an opinion or two on how AD2 does loops. Tx guys, CharlyG
AD2 seems to be quite CPU-hungry. When using it myself, I found quite severe issues with the sound until I bounced it to an audio track. Admittedly, my CPU isn't particularly brilliant (a 1.70GHz dual-core) so if you have a stronger CPU than this you may well be fine. In fairness, once I'd bounced it to an audio track the drums sounded great, it's just whilst it's playing as a synth my computer struggled with it.
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 12, 15 7:16 AM
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Doktor Avalanche > - What makes the upgrade worth for you? Bug fixes.
+1 Lots of great bug fixes have been made every month.
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 12, 15 7:20 AM
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I'm a professional I guess (in that I don't do anything but music to make my living, but most of my money is made performing so I'm not sure if it counts, but I do a lot of composition and production from time to time and do make some money from it)... and generally happy with the update, though I don't find myself using many of the new features a lot per se. Not using vocalign or mix scenes really, and never used audiosnap much so haven't explored its improvements. The control bar is a nice touch for sure, and the console (FX bin + send bin) enhancements). Envelopes seem to behave themselves much better now, which is huge for me. AD2 sounds pretty good from my testing but I haven't used it in a track yet (I'm not very drum-focused, more ambient/soundtrack stuff). ReMatrix Solo is getting lots of use, basically a new default/easy convo verb, low latency, low overhead, great sound, what's not to like? Lots of little stuff under the hood, it's been quite stable for me right out of the box. The monthly updates and bonus content are a nice touch...
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 12, 15 8:34 AM
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In addition to S-Plat I own MixCraft7 Pro Studio, Reaper and Harrison Mixbus. Sonar is my main DAW. I upgraded to Platinum for the bug fixes and new features. kevmsmith I prefer EZD2. For one I think the drums sound better than ADD2 and two after using the "tap-2-find" feature I'd never want to go without again.
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 12, 15 9:40 AM
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mudgel The monthly content has been guitar centric because it's being provided by Craig Anderton and provides a useful set of additional tools (not just for guitar) that demonstrate the wide range of creative tools buried within Sonar.
A FWIW...the guitar-centric content just sort of happened that way, because I was drawing on material I'd done for myself. However the latest update had IRs and an FX chain for "mastering" kick drums, and to give you an idea of what's coming up, I'm working on more instruments for Rapture and Rapture Pro, a test signals suite for checking room acoustics, electronic percussion loop library, more IRs, etc. In particular, I want to do more work with synths...for example, a loop library of some of the Korg Z1's cool arpeggiator effects. I won't abandon guitar-oriented content (got some semi-hollow body guitars for sampling!), but I've done a lot of what I wanted to do.
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mudgel
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 12, 15 9:44 AM
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Anderton
mudgel The monthly content has been guitar centric because it's being provided by Craig Anderton and provides a useful set of additional tools (not just for guitar) that demonstrate the wide range of creative tools buried within Sonar.
A FWIW...the guitar-centric content just sort of happened that way, because I was drawing on material I'd done for myself. However the latest update had IRs and an FX chain for "mastering" kick drums, and to give you an idea of what's coming up, I'm working on more instruments for Rapture and Rapture Pro, a test signals suite for checking room acoustics, electronic percussion loop library, more IRs, etc. In particular, I want to do more work with synths...for example, a loop library of some of the Korg Z1's cool arpeggiator effects. I won't abandon guitar-oriented content (got some semi-hollow body guitars for sampling!), but I've done a lot of what I wanted to do.
Interesting. I enjoy a monthly surprise no matter whether large or small.
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Anderton
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 12, 15 11:56 AM
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mudgel Interesting. I enjoy a monthly surprise no matter whether large or small.
Oops, guess I just killed some surprises by saying too much  ... Sorry about that!!
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 12, 15 12:32 AM
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The amazing community here were my reason. They essentially passed the proverbial hat and got me bumped up. Mindblowing kindness. However my reasons for WANTING to upgrade were largely related to MixRecall. I have not had a chance to use it yet (been mostly tracking) but as a novice mix "engineer" the ability to easily compare various efforts to see what I've done right/wrong is a huge bonus. Even for experienced/pro engineers this has to be a massively useful tool. Being able to export any or all of your mixes at once to cart around for testing or showing to clients or whatever is pretty darned awesome. The Control Bar improvements are freaking amazing and many of those tweaks are things I had been asking for for a VERY long time. It's even better than anything I dreamed up. As newcomer to MIDI the new PRV was/is looking pretty slick so I was interested in that. Those teeny tiny little blocks were kind of messing me up as well as controllers so it all looked a lot better. I have not tried it out yet but am looking forward to it. The Paint Tool looks cool as well. Kind of want them to create an audio version of it. That would be awesome but perhaps impractical. More personally I asked some of the folks here to test a very specific bug that had been driving me NUTS in X3 reagarding view jumping when selecting between tracks. It was a MASSIVE slow down for my workflow and was pretty much one of the only things that bothered me in X3. Sure enough it was fixed and I am ever so freaking happy because already it has saved me probably hours of scrolling, double checking to make sure I'm in the right spot and outright temper tantrums (and possibly physical manifestations such as hypertension... seriously it stressed me out that badly). Everything else is gravy. However the additional AD2 Adpaks allowed me to snag the Fairfax 1 kit which produces a very specific drum sound I have been wanting to duplicate for my own work for a very long time. That of course is the Nirvana Nevermind drum sound. IMO those are probably the best sounding live drums in the past 30 years. Heck... probably ever (but I'm reluctant to leave out Who's Next but they were working with far less back then). Anyway... great upgrade I think. It is probably more of a cumulative "wow factor" built on more subtle additions and improvements compared to other versions (especially if you are upgrading from X3) but some of these things are very critical improvements for specific users and the on the broader spectrum it's kind of like a slow steady wave of awesomeness washing over us... and we still have 12 months of stuff coming down the pipe.
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Anderton
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 12, 15 12:43 AM
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Beepster Anyway... great upgrade I think. It is probably more of a cumulative "wow factor" built on more subtle additions and improvements compared to other versions (especially if you are upgrading from X3) but some of these things are very critical improvements for specific users and the on the broader spectrum it's kind of like a slow steady wave of awesomeness washing over us... and we still have 12 months of stuff coming down the pipe.
The "cumulative wow factor" is a very good point. Yes, the Control Bar, VocalSync, Mix Recall, REmatrix Solo, MIDI improvements, and bug fixes were enough justification for me to want Platinum but the monthly release thing is huge...there have been, what, over 50 bug fixes average per month? Then to have something like the Virtual Keyboard show up, along with an ever-evolving Mix Recall, and more import/export options...one day you look back over the past three months, and realize a lot has happened.
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 12, 15 1:01 PM
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I was playing with the Virt Keyboard a bit right after I installed Dorch. It is extremely responsive and will serve me well. I did not include that in my post because I was basing my reasoning on what I was thinking before I actually got the upgrade and the VK came after but that was something I had actually been wanting since I first bought X1 (and knew essentially nothing about DAWs). To me I found it weird that no one had figured out a way to control synths from the QWERTY and that my new fancy DAW couldn't do that. I think I even mentioned it back then. Since then though I demo'd another DAW (the "cheap" DAW) and it includes a QWERTY controller so I was about to start railing on the Bakers for one to be developed. Literally a couple weeks later we got the announcement one was going to be provided. And it is, as far as I can tell so far, far superior to the one included in the "cheap" DAW. So yeah... that's pretty darned cool. I'm also getting into the idea of using the ARA audio to MIDI function on bass tracks. As in... my bass gear is kind of lame but I prefer to perform my own parts. By converting it and cleaning up the resulting MIDI to match the live track I can beef up the live tone without burying/removing it. I actually thought this was a totally original Beepster idea but a while back someone linked to an article on SOS you (Craig) wrote describing that exact procedure. lol Point is, I haven't checked out the Brian Hargroove samples yet but I love PE and I'm on the hunt for good, realistic MIDI bass samples to beef up my crummy single coil Mexi P-Bass DI tracks so those will likely be a welcome addition. Cheers.
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 12, 15 1:06 PM
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Cakewalk not only released a new version of Sonar but a completely new delivery, development installation and sales program in January, just a little under 4 months ago.
They say that the proof of the pudding is in the eating and it's been a very satisfying meal if I can put it that way.
The result is impressive to say the least. Sure there's been a few bumps but no real show stoppers.
If the last few months are anything to go on then, the future is looking good for Cakewalk and Sonar.
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 12, 15 1:14 PM
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BTW... I know when I post things like that I risk being labelled a "fanbois" (and probably in some minds I already am) but I mean what I say. Those are things I am very happy about and makes me glad I stuck it out with Sonar (things weren't always so rosy for me). As far as I'm concerned I work for the forum users who helped me learn and have now sponsored me with the latest update. I will, and do, bring up my needs, wants and annoyances with the program when they arise. At this point though, IMO, it really is a good release that works well so I'm saying it and those who doubt my sincerity can kindly shove their innuendo and preconceptions up their mono output ports. :-)
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 12, 15 5:56 PM
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I'm sure Cakewalk appreciates all the supportive comments...now spread the word!
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CedricM
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 16, 15 6:02 AM
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So in the end I just purchased the platinum upgrades because it seems there are no more bug fixes for X3 and the bug annoying me (switching between 2 vsts in media explorer preview audio is totally broken) is listed as fixed in the new version. I'm not sure how I feel about paying so much for bug fixes. I hope the new features will make it worth it. Downloading right now!
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 16, 15 8:21 AM
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I'm another heavy critic of X series that is glad to have upgraded to Platinum ...
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Re: Your reasons to upgrade to Sonar Platinum
May 16, 15 8:40 AM
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Monthly bug fixes = constant, predictable and consistent improvement. Plus the goodies don't hurt either.
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