Run as administrator disables dragging wav file into Sonar

I'm very new to Win 8.1 Pro and I was very surprised today when I found out that if I open Platinum with Run as administrator, I can no longer drag files into Sonar like wav, mp3, etc. I rebooted the computer and the same thing happened so then I unchecked Run as administrator and Platinum worked fine, dragging files in. I've used Run as administrator with Win 7 with no problems like this.
 
Has anyone else had this problem or knows why this occurred?

Likely your problem has to do with the ownership of the files you are attempting to drag. You can check the owner of the file by right clicking the file icon/name then selecting properties then the security tab then the advanced button then owner. If you are working as userA because you log on to the userA account, and open Sonar, then Sonar has the ownership and access permissions of userA. Files that were written under a userA logon are typically owned by userA, and not accessible to other users unless they are granted access by userA. When you log on as userA, but then open Sonar by choosing "run as administrator," Sonar is no longer running with userA's ownership and permissions, but using a new account (security token) to run Sonar with different permissions. Although you retain the permission to copy a file to a folder as userA, when Sonar as administrator attempts to open a userA owned file it lacks the proper permissions.

Or just disable UAC.

I have a shortcut to the desktop in the Browser. Actually easier than dragging in from the desktop because you don't need to leave the SONAR environment or resize any windows. 

slartabartfast
Likely your problem has to do with the ownership of the files you are attempting to drag. You can check the owner of the file by right clicking the file icon/name then selecting properties then the security tab then the advanced button then owner. If you are working as userA because you log on to the userA account, and open Sonar, then Sonar has the ownership and access permissions of userA. Files that were written under a userA logon are typically owned by userA, and not accessible to other users unless they are granted access by userA. When you log on as userA, but then open Sonar by choosing "run as administrator," Sonar is no longer running with userA's ownership and permissions, but using a new account (security token) to run Sonar with different permissions. Although you retain the permission to copy a file to a folder as userA, when Sonar as administrator attempts to open a userA owned file it lacks the proper permissions.

You may be spot on about this. I had lots of trouble getting Win 8 and Win 7 to cooperate on my network having problems with permission and access, so I did the "take ownership" thing for that HD on Win 7 that had the wav files. Back then I ended up solving the network problem in a different way. So "take ownership" didn't help at all and maybe I need to undo it.  If I recall I let Win 8 own those files, so should I change the ownership back to Win 7? So I won't have this issue with Run as administrator? Sonar is on the Win 8 computer.
 
Under Properties for one of the files, I see under Security / Group - 2 listings for Account Unknown and one of those account numbers match who is the owner of that file. So with my limited understanding of this, it appears that those Account Unknown names refer to my Win 8 machine or my 3rd XP computer on the Network.
 
I don't want a situation where I can't use Run as administrator when I need to, so let me know what your suggestions are.

Anderton

gmpI don't want a situation where I can't use Run as administrator when I need to, so let me know what your suggestions are.

 
I still think it's easiest just to add Desktop to the Media tab's drop-down menu. This also makes it easy to drag files to the desktop.
 

 

Thanks for sharing that. Actually I've never used the Media Tab before. I almost never drag from the desktop. 99% of the time I'm dragging from a mapped network folder that's on my Win 7 computer. Do you think I can add that folder to the Media tab? And if so will I still have the same problem of the files not being able to be imported into Sonar if I'm using Run as administrator?

scook
Shoud be able to add any reachable folder to the browser.
 
WRT the question about registry hacks, there is no one solution. Each plug-in that requires elevated privileges is a separate discovery process. It should be the manufacturer's responsibility to publish the information since they choose not to update the software.

In my other post about the general error I was getting, there was a suggestion to start using Run as administrator. So that's why I started trying to use that, not for any plugin issues

http://forum.cakewalk.com...ont-save-m3255348.aspx

I also have another recent post

http://forum.cakewalk.com/64-bit-Platinum-cant-find-plugins-from-old-projects-m3253603.aspx

This is the one that I'm having plugin problems and wanting to do a registry hack if necessary. essentially I have some 32 bit plugins that load fine in Platinum 64 bit with BitBridge, but Sonar doesn't find them when loading old projects. I get the missing plugins window.

 I understand that 64 bit Platinum has this problem with all 32 bit plugins from old projects. This is why a registry hack may be the only solution to tell Sonar "no these plugins are not missing, you're looking in the wrong place". I need some guidance on a registry hack before attempting that.

Anderton

gmpI don't want a situation where I can't use Run as administrator when I need to, so let me know what your suggestions are.

 
I still think it's easiest just to add Desktop to the Media tab's drop-down menu. This also makes it easy to drag files to the desktop.
 

 

I like the way you added Desktop to that list. I tried to add a network folder and couldn't figure out how to do it. Can you explain how you added desktop?
 
Thanks,

jih64
When you have it say on the 'Audio Library' click the Folder icon with the up arrow that is beside it on the left hand side, and keep going up until you can get to the desktop, (or where ever you want to go to), then click the save button on the right hand side of the drop down, then you will have 'Desktop' (or whatever) in your drop down list

Thanks, that was easy. I think the reason it was hard before is because I moved all Cakewalk Content to my D drive and the names showing up in the media window did not know where I moved Cakewalk content. So clicking on those names just gave me an error message.
 
Since this was the very first time I've opened the media browser, when I rebooted the next time I had my regular folder tree in there and it was easy to navigate to the folder I wanted. The save button tip was helpful once I found the right folder. What's really cool is I have an FX folder on my D drive that I also put in the media browser. Now I can do a search for "wind" and see all the FX that have that in the name - pretty cool.
 
Thanks,

The problem has to do with using a process with a lower security level (Windows Explorer) to pass a file to one with higher security level (Sonar running as administrator). That is considered a particularly dangerous behavior, because it opens opportunities for malware to exploit the system. The same thing will happen with Notepad run as administrator. A drag attempt using Windows Explorer with the sign on user account's security level will fail to load a text file into Notepad run as administrator. At the same time using File Open in the elevated Notepad will allow you to navigate to the file and open it in Notepad with no problem, because by default the Administrators Group has read access to just about everything. If Sonar as administrator opens the file itself, it uses its read privilege to do so without encountering the prohibition against taking it from Windows Explorer at the user account level.
 
I expect you would find no problem using Sonar's built in explorer (Media Browser) to locate the file, just as you would find no problem using Sonar's File>Import>Audio to load it. The safest and easiest answer is not to disable UAC, but just not to drag and drop. I never encountered this problem myself because I never use Windows Explorer drag and drop to pass files to an application. I generally keep my stuff buried deep in the file system, and by the time I go to the trouble of opening a Window with both the application and the file visible at once to set up the drag, it is just easier to navigate there from within the application. I also find that traversing the system in this manner imposes a discipline on my mind that helps me avoid losing track of where in the file system things are. All open windows look pretty much the same. File Import also gives me better control within Sonar on where exactly I want the imported stuff to be placed.

Well I only created the 'Desktop' folder/Link in the browser, when you select it, the 'X' becomes active, and I guess it will delete that entry. The others that are by default in the drop down list seem to be either System folders or directories created by Sonar and therefore the 'X' is not active so you can't remove them is what I am thinking. I have tried to put other test folders in the drop down list, but I can't seem to, so you may not be able to put any directory in there ?

The Browser locations are stored in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR\Platinum\ContentLocations. I would be very surprised if removing an entry from the registry did not work. I would also recommend making a copy of the registry location before performing surgery.

I would like to see a SONAR technical reference. For post like the one above, I just search the registry. I know many do not like to directly manipulate the registry and they probably should not do it. I do not have a problem creating views into the registry like I did for the tools section of the utilities menu. They are pretty easy to knock out.