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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/17 16:14:21
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Doktor Avalanche
dubdisciple Forced updates can me nightmarish for those working in professional environments. Couple years back MS did an update that that totally screwed many video editors. It conflocted with a of video cards and had to be removed. Subsequent patches fixed it months later. Most rolled back until then. If that update had been mandatory I would have been unable to work for a month or two.
If you had done backups you would have been fine.
I was fine. i think you missed the point i was able to rollback but did lose a few days troubleshooting the issue. Unfortunately, it was the kind of bug where the connection between the update and the bug were not obvious at first. Once word got out what the problem was it was a simple master of rolling back, but a mandatory update may not allow that option. Even if Ms fixed it the next day, people in deadline critical businesses could be screwed. Considering it took about two months for MS to fix that bug last time, it could be a major issue if rollback is not an option
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/17 22:29:16
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Yup but what people forget is you can rarely predict an update for you isnt going to work until you install it. If MS makes sure everybody installs updates in the same sequential order it's gonna be a heck of a lot more predictable. If it's a critical business scenenario you should have just restored from backup or rolled back. Ain't that hard. You would have just done it and not bothered troubleshooting if it was that critical. It should not have been that hard to work out that you installed an update recently... MS I'm sure will allow updates to be rolled back in Win 10. They aren't that stupid...
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/07/17 22:37:30
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/18 02:04:49
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Doktor Avalanche Yup but what people forget is you can rarely predict an update for you isnt going to work until you install it. If MS makes sure everybody installs updates in the same sequential order it's gonna be a heck of a lot more predictable.
If it's a critical business scenenario you should have just restored from backup or rolled back. Ain't that hard. You would have just done it and not bothered troubleshooting if it was that critical. It should not have been that hard to work out that you installed an update recently...
MS I'm sure will allow updates to be rolled back in Win 10. They aren't that stupid...
that is some serious condescension . maybe you instantly rollback when the slightest glitch in your computer occurs, but it is a huge assumption to think that is the norm. There are lots of possibilities when a computer acts up. Some of them are a result of updates and some are the result of any number of things. Again, i digress because no production house on a tight schedule wants to have to rollback for an unwanted update because no matter how easy it is, it is still a delay. You also give MS too much credit. There are tons of bugs that will inevitably be introduced on updates that will take longer than anticipated. Adobe's latest update has massive flaws that make certain products unusable They also let us know the update would take 6 weeks to fix.. Fortunately the update is not mandatory.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/18 12:48:26
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@dub I mostly covered that in the post before the one you quoted so I won't repeat what I've already said and do a loop. So refer to that as my response. Of course nobody wants to roll back and restore from backups but that's what you do if something goes wrong. The other alternative is non patched systems.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/07/18 12:58:24
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/18 19:26:20
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Here is the text of the relevant section from the license agreement: Automatic updates. For consumers and small business, Windows 10 delivers automatic updates, with no option to selectively delay or reject individual updates. "The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. ... By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice." Business customers have additional management options through the Windows Update for Business program, and enterprise customers can assign mission-critical devices to the Long Term Servicing Branch, which includes only security fixes and not feature updates.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/18 20:05:52
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That's just an agreement though.. I signed up with google to take my wife and kids away and they are allowed to vote on my behalf.. Eventually it will happen but not now (nor do I have a wife and kids...).Let's see what happens...
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/18 21:35:52
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So is there a way to refuse or postpone updates?
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/18 23:26:15
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Notecrusher So is there a way to refuse or postpone updates?
Yes, use Pro instead of Home edition. Home is the only version that will not allow you to postpone updates. Pro will work the same as it does now with the ability to setup how updating works in the OS.
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/19 00:51:48
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Right, and it's a free upgrade from Win 7 and 8 Pro.
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/19 12:32:10
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Beepster Apparently they skipped over 9 because it had the potential of screwing up programs. Essentially they were worried that certain programs would see the 9 and think they were dealing with win 95 or 98.
So nothing like how Word went from Word 2 to Word 6 with no Word 3, 4 or 5 then. Which, of course, had nothing to do with Wordperfect being at version 5 when Word 6 was released. Nothing to do with not wanting to be a version number behind OS X or the same as the soon to be released iOS 9 either. MS have played marketing games with version numbers for a long time. It seems the less technically aware customer might be persuaded that if product X is at version 10 it must be an "upgrade" compared to product Y v.9 even if they are two different applications made by two different companies,
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/20 12:34:59
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Rubbish. Reason why it skipped to version 10 is because it is 1 louder.
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/20 12:57:03
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Then why not just go with Win 11?
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/20 13:22:41
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The marketing guy who thought of that died in a bizare gardening accident.
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/21 04:18:52
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Doktor Avalanche The marketing guy who thought of that died in a bizare gardening accident.
A falling Apple ?
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/21 20:59:25
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you do wonder how ms is going to make money... maybe from apps and using it with the mobile / cortana etc. they know not to annoy customers e.g. the start bar and other "not to good" versions.. so they have to balance things. the dual boot thing, .. in the sense of what about monopoly rules ? they might find that gives them issues, regardless of what end users agree to
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Re: Windows 10 - updates may be automatic and mandatory
2015/07/21 21:42:17
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Fog you do wonder how ms is going to make money... maybe from apps and using it with the mobile / cortana etc.
Servers (IIS/SQL Server etc), the cloud, MS Office, support contracts, Metro store, OEM agreements, web services. etc
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