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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 0:37 PM
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Keni
Of course we don't yet have a full lust of bug fixes... Not complaining. I understand...
Just hoping for some little fixes such as the zoom key one again working correctly for a hold-z zoom? (Returning to the smarttool when z is released)
Pain to manually switch back and forth with every edit...
Hey Keni . . . I was also hoping this would get "fixed" . . . but then I noticed that the Z key command actually toggles zoom mode on + off . . . So, if you are using the Smart Tool, and click Z, clicking Z again (after your zoom) will return automatically to the Smart Tool . . . isn't that what you were asking for ?
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 2:49 AM
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This is the most underwhelming release yet. I guess devs were on vacation.
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 4:02 AM
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Anderton
I'm sure, but try to find the derivation of that word. Something like "New South Wales" is pretty easy to parse  A lot of towns have names based on Native American languages and have particular meanings, like Ho-Ho-Kus - which maybe sounds like the name of a comedy club, but is a contraction of two Lenni Lenape words and means "The Red Cedar."
But I can't find anything on Hopkinton - no "King Hopkinton the Third," no corruption of a saying. The closest I've been able to find is that in Sanskrit, Kinton means "crowned." And "hops" relate to beer...hmmm, maybe the name means "Beer King."
Since you live there...can you shed any light on a subject which probably no one cares about except me? If not, then spread a rumor around town that the derivation of "Hopkinton" is "Beer King," and we'll see if it gets any traction
Hi Craig- You're not alone. I've had to type it a few times now and I always feel like I must be misspelling it and it really should be "Hopkinston" or "Hopkington" or something. There's something fundamentally weird about it, no question  ! -Susan
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 4:41 AM
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Hopkinton = Last name of an early colonist (Hopkins) with a suffix that is a variation of town
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August 27, 15 4:49 AM
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Hopkinton = Last name of an early colonist (Hopkins) with a suffix that is a variation of town
Well, then, why not "Hopkinston," as I said ? They've clearly been misspelling it for lo, these many years  . Thanks, Rick- -Susan
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 4:58 AM
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They used a de-esser
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 5:03 AM
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They used a de-esser
I like it ! -Susan
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 6:03 AM
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One of the best updates ever!
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 8:48 AM
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This is the most underwhelming release yet. I guess devs were on vacation.
Well, I certainly hope the devs were on vacation!!! They deserve it more than anyone considering all we got this year already ... and of course the best way to ensure high quality and innovation is to look after your employees and give them enough time off to do other things ...
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 8:53 AM
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If I were to speculate (badly I'm sure) all the effort is going into the upcoming audio enhancements.
The handful of bug fixes (track view mainly) appear to pave the way for it.
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 8:57 AM
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FreeFlyBertl
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This is the most underwhelming release yet. I guess devs were on vacation.
Well, I certainly hope the devs were on vacation!!! They deserve it more than anyone considering all we got this year already ... and of course the best way to ensure high quality and innovation is to look after your employees and give them enough time off to do other things ...
I completely agree with your points. I look at this release as bug fixes and "oh by the way we threw in a new start screen for ya"! Nor do I want them to rush anything just to meet a deadline.
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 10:01 AM
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Doktor Avalanche
If I were to speculate (badly I'm sure) all the effort is going into the upcoming audio enhancements.
The handful of bug fixes (track view mainly) appear to pave the way for it.
I think that's pretty informed speculation, because it takes into account that doing bug fixes and developing new features are opposing forces. If no one wanted bug fixes, SONAR would have lots of new features and if no one wanted new features, SONAR would have lots of bug fixes. Historically speaking there's been a flurry of bug fixes after a major version release, followed by diminishing fixes as development ramped up. SONAR 2015 essentially started life as a major version release compared to X3e, and the bug fixes reflect that. The audio changes that have been requested are major and require a lot of work. Hopefully people will find that the results justify the time required to create those results although of course, there will always be those who will not find it useful for their workflow, and therefore will wish the resources would have been spent elsewhere. The difference with the new model is that bug fixes won't stop past a certain point as they did in the past, but are ongoing, although possibly at a reduced rate. If development slows down, the team can go back into the "bugs archive" and fix longstanding bugs; there's been evidence of that in the past several releases. It's important to remember that everything involves tradeoffs. The object is to choose tradeoffs that provide the greatest benefit to the greatest number of people, which requires a bit of science (reading forums and taking surveys) but also some soothsayer chops.
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 10:04 AM
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This is the most underwhelming release yet. I guess devs were on vacation.
The Start Screen was a pretty big feature that required testing and dev time. I think long term, it's going to be a huge improvement for both new customers and existing customers. As mentioned, we have some other cool features coming up that also require a bit of attention. Again, the point is to release features and fixes when they are tested and ready, not to play a numbers game that can result in issues for some customers.
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 10:44 AM
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This is the most underwhelming release yet. I guess devs were on vacation.
Well, I certainly hope the devs were on vacation!!! They deserve it more than anyone considering all we got this year already ... and of course the best way to ensure high quality and innovation is to look after your employees and give them enough time off to do other things ...
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 11:00 AM
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The Start Screen was a pretty big feature that required testing and dev time. I think long term, it's going to be a huge improvement for both new customers and existing customers. As mentioned, we have some other cool features coming up that also require a bit of attention. Again, the point is to release features and fixes when they are tested and ready, not to play a numbers game that can result in issues for some customers.
Also to add to whats said. The development process is not as black and white or linear as many people assume. We don't just work on fixes or work on new features. Often they intersect. For example for the last couple of months I worked on recording related work while developing the infrastructure for synth recording and patch points. This process led to a major revamp (refactor in devspeak) of the recording code. That is some of the oldest and most complex code in the app. In the process I made numerous improvements to that code that should ultimately lead to better stability and *much* better maintainability. A lot of that is difficult to document as bug fixes since it would be very time consuming to detect which specific scenario was broken before. We do log cases for regression testing when its obvious. The same thing happened when I worked on Mix recall - there were scores of small fixes and even crashes that were addressed through that effort. All in all this is completely normal in the development process. You folks are looking at a small window of a month which is not a big enough sample size to accurately represent whats going on. i.e. some months will look smaller and others may look huge since we are releasing features only after testing. Next month will have a ton of updates coming online.
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 11:12 AM
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FreeFlyBertl
Well, I certainly hope the devs were on vacation!!! They deserve it more than anyone considering all we got this year already ... and of course the best way to ensure high quality and innovation is to look after your employees and give them enough time off to do other things ...
I have to say that the European companies have the right balance of work and personal life. I'm always shocked when I talk with developers there and they have weeks or months of off time. Its quite different here in the US (sadly)
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 11:28 AM
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I'm enjoying the ride :-0
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 11:41 AM
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
I have to say that the European companies have the right balance of work and personal life. I'm always shocked when I talk with developers there and they have weeks or months of off time. Its quite different here in the US (sadly)
We have 35 days off time here in Finland which is about average in Europe. Only in England there are under 30 days holiday.
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 12:08 AM
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Most companies here start new employees at 2 weeks and cap at 4 weeks after you have been there for years (decades). Its a pretty sorry state compared to Europe :)
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 12:11 AM
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What's a this tak of peas?
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 12:13 AM
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All I know is I like the way CW is releasing stuff. Its as cool as it gets. Always something to look forward to. I sorta feel sorry for those still holding back and still on X3 and older.
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 12:59 AM
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Most companies here start new employees at 2 weeks and cap at 4 weeks after you have been there for years (decades). Its a pretty sorry state compared to Europe :)
I had a vacation in 1998, but it's starting to wear off. I think I need another one.
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 1:13 PM
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Keni
Of course we don't yet have a full lust of bug fixes... Not complaining. I understand...
Just hoping for some little fixes such as the zoom key one again working correctly for a hold-z zoom? (Returning to the smarttool when z is released)
Pain to manually switch back and forth with every edit...
Hey Keni . . . I was also hoping this would get "fixed" . . . but then I noticed that the Z key command actually toggles
zoom mode on + off . . . So, if you are using the Smart Tool, and click Z, clicking Z again (after your zoom) will return automatically to the Smart Tool . . . isn't that what you were asking for ?
Hi noynekker... Thanks... I know that z toggles it (always has) and I can toggle back and forth a few ways... But since forever, if you hold the z whike performing the operation, the extea cluck of manually switching back to the smarttool was not necessary as releasing the z after the procedure left you with the smarttool... So whike not the biggest problem, it dies now force me to issue an extea command every time I do this... Which is a lot! Keni
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 1:18 PM
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John
All I know is I like the way CW is releasing stuff. Its as cool as it gets. Always something to look forward to. I sorta feel sorry for those still holding back and still on X3 and older.
the "more new faster" thing can distract from actually learning how to use the huge amount of stuff already there - nothing wrong with living in the now!
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 2:00 PM
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
All in all this is completely normal in the development process. You folks are looking at a small window of a month which is not a big enough sample size to accurately represent whats going on. i.e. some months will look smaller and others may look huge since we are releasing features only after testing. Next month will have a ton of updates coming online.
Honestly (but please don't hit me) I'd be just as happy with bimonthly updates and I have always wondered why Cake puts so much weight on their shoulders to get it done perfectly on time each and every month ...
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 2:01 PM
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Anderton
The difference with the new model is that bug fixes won't stop past a certain point as they did in the past, but are ongoing, although possibly at a reduced rate. If development slows down, the team can go back into the "bugs archive" and fix longstanding bugs; there's been evidence of that in the past several releases.
I see the bugs in 3 categories: 1) Regression bugs. 2) Really old bugs that never got fixed up to X3E (there appears to be quite a backlog). Many one could regard as 'legacy'. 3) The rest. Obviously (1) should and is getting priority. I would hope to see a bigger push for (2). It appears the main reason why we aren't is because of regression bugs coming from new features. Most just seem to hang around. I had hoped one developer would be set aside for nothing but bug fixing until the event horizon is met (clearly I must have sad fanasies!). :) Well let's just see if almost all the track view bugs and workflow issues get quashed with the audio enhancements coming up. That would send a more positive message IMHO.
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 2:05 PM
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
I have to say that the European companies have the right balance of work and personal life. I'm always shocked when I talk with developers there and they have weeks or months of off time. Its quite different here in the US (sadly)
We have plenty of time off because we outsource all our work to China ;).
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 3:31 PM
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I'm very pleased with this release. I really like the start screen, and having videos easily at my fingertips. I was working on something last night, and the video on the new midi enhancements was just what I needed, which saved me a lot of time not having to start a browser session, and search for it. Great job to everyone at Cakewalk!
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 6:28 PM
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche August 27, 15 6:54 PM
i like the 'Update All' option in the menu... people should not need to go thru each item and update individually.
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Re: Hopkinton is up!
August 27, 15 6:50 PM
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Deleted, I misread something....
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