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SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
I was just thinking how well the new SONAR updated has been behaving in my long mixing session during the past days. I'm mixing two albums, total 23 projects, some of them over 10 min long with 100-150 tracks and MANY synths & plug-ins. Projects may take up to 4,5 GB RAM. OK, let's go to the statistics:
Minor issues: yes, here and there but...
Total amount of crashes: 0.
Zero crashes! Bakers, you have done excellent job with the audio engine and program core!
AWESOME!
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/08/31 20:25:34
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Yeah I think stability with Sonar is at an all time high. Cakewalk should be congratulated. There are some serious problems elsewhere but I would not want to take away from that comment.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/08/31 21:26:18
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Good to see you Panu. I know what you mean about Sonar 2015 being stable. X3 was very stable before but now it seems bullet proof. Add to that all the improvements plus the new features no wonder its gotten a lot of praise.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/01 02:45:43
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hmmm? Why do I get so many audio drop outs?
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/01 03:24:39
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Got to agree with the OP.
A couple of recording and mix sessions over the weekend (using a wide range of virtual synths and signal processing), without the slightest glitch.
Respect to all involved :-)
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/01 07:16:03
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dappa1
hmmm? Why do I get so many audio drop outs?
My RME UFX with USB cable & buffer 256 in ASIO is more rock solid than ever with SONAR 2015. In my experience the updated audio engine has got a lot of performance improvements over X3. I'd suggest you to check different driver modes etc. to find "the golden settings" for your setup...:)
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/01 07:21:47
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Doktor Avalanche
There are some serious problems elsewhere but I would not want to take away from that comment.
Agreed. For example, the new start screen is totally non-working for me (lack of support for UTF characters) but currently the main problems are hiding in auxiliary features, not in the very main core of the program.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 10:32:45
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Just installed Sonar Platinum (Hopkinton update) two weeks ago. Works very good for the most part, but whenever I'm editing in the Piano Roll view, it randomly freezes and stops responding (the usual faded gray screen). If I wait for Sonar to respond, the display eventually comes back ok but one click and it freezes again. No choice but to close the program. This started happening on the very first project in which I'm using midi, and I only have AD2 open, no other VST plugins or effects. This happens only when editing in the Piano Roll and only glitch I have with Sonar.
Anyone else having these issues?
Sonar Platinum /Windows 10 Pro (x64) /Gigabyte H97-D3H-CF /Intel Core i7-4770 3.40GHz /16 Gb RAM /Scarlett 2i4 2.5.1 Drivers
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 11:27:45
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For what it's worth, I'm in a pretty happy place with Hopkinton as well. I just fired it up and started (from the start screen) a rather complex project, including a bunch of audio tracks, FX, seven soft synths including instances of Alchemy, Reaktor and Rapture Pro, and some bus processing, and was ready to go in 24 seconds. It plays without issue, though I have to bump up the latency somewhat to run everything. This on a decidedly long-in-the-tooth desktop (Q6600 based) built in 2008 or so, running 8.1... I don't seem to be experiencing the startup issues others are talking about, as it doesn't seem any slower than on previous releases. I hope whatever is causing that for some gets ironed out soon, but it doesn't seem to be happening here - and I'm connected to the internet full time (though it shames me to admit it!).
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 13:40:13
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Just installed Sonar Platinum (Hopkinton update) two weeks ago. Works very good for the most part, but whenever I'm editing in the Piano Roll view, it randomly freezes and stops responding (the usual faded gray screen). If I wait for Sonar to respond, the display eventually comes back ok but one click and it freezes again. No choice but to close the program. This started happening on the very first project in which I'm using midi, and I only have AD2 open, no other VST plugins or effects. This happens only when editing in the Piano Roll and only glitch I have with Sonar.
Anyone else having these issues?
Sonar Platinum /Windows 10 Pro (x64) /Gigabyte H97-D3H-CF /Intel Core i7-4770 3.40GHz /16 Gb RAM /Scarlett 2i4 2.5.1 Drivers
I would start a new thread. Its considered hijacking to post unrelated posts in a thread.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 13:59:18
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☄ Helpfulby RD9 2015/09/15 18:38:38
John
slarocque
Just installed Sonar Platinum (Hopkinton update) two weeks ago. Works very good for the most part, but whenever I'm editing in the Piano Roll view, it randomly freezes and stops responding (the usual faded gray screen). If I wait for Sonar to respond, the display eventually comes back ok but one click and it freezes again. No choice but to close the program. This started happening on the very first project in which I'm using midi, and I only have AD2 open, no other VST plugins or effects. This happens only when editing in the Piano Roll and only glitch I have with Sonar.
Anyone else having these issues?
Sonar Platinum /Windows 10 Pro (x64) /Gigabyte H97-D3H-CF /Intel Core i7-4770 3.40GHz /16 Gb RAM /Scarlett 2i4 2.5.1 Drivers
I would start a new thread. Its considered hijacking to post unrelated posts in a thread.
Sorry, with respect, this would seem to be the very place to talk about the stability / instability of the current release. What about the above post is hijacking? It seems very much on topic to me. I too have had some stability problems with the release -- my first release, since upgrading from X3, of Platinum , which I'm finding disappointingly crashy. Do the forum rules require this to be a good-news-only thread? I'm not being hostile or sarcastic -- I genuinely would like to know how frank discussions are allowed to be here, so that I don't fall afoul of the rules. Frank, on-topic discussion (so long as it's respectful) is what makes forums really useful.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 14:17:44
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Thanks for your intervention, lingyai. I'm new to this forum and didn't think I was off-topic, but I do understand John's point. That said, I did see many posts about a very similar issue in other (older) threads, so it didn't feel right to start a new one. This one was the most recent and was referring to the software's latest upgrade. Which is why I posted here. Last thing I want to do is upset other forum members on my first day at work..... 
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 14:40:18
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slarocque
This one was the most recent and was referring to the software's latest upgrade.
Which is why I posted here.
And that's why I read it, because it's about the latest version. Seems entirely on-topic to me. I suppose one could start a parallel thread -- "SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - not always superb" but that would get unwieldy. IMHO, a post about the instability of X is quite at home in a thread about the stability of X. It's not like any one has been trolling, otherwise disrespectful, or tangential. These discussions are how we learn and solve problems.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 14:41:58
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lingyai
slarocque
This one was the most recent and was referring to the software's latest upgrade.
Which is why I posted here.
And that's why I read it, because it's about the latest version. Seems entirely on-topic to me. I suppose one could start a parallel thread -- "SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - not always superb" but that would get unwieldy. IMHO, a post about the instability of X is quite at home in a thread about the stability of X. It's not like any one has been trolling, otherwise disrespectful, or tangential.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 15:05:13
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Hi Panu,
Did you find this season a right hand grip which fits with your swing?
I do totaly agree with you concerning the stability of Sonar,the only issue I had was indeed in piano roll view when trying to use the brush which makes everything crashes ,but they are tons of workaround .
All the best,
Olivier
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 15:37:21
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Vilovilo
Hi Panu,
Did you find this season a right hand grip which fits with your swing?
I do totaly agree with you concerning the stability of Sonar,the only issue I had was indeed in piano roll view when trying to use the brush which makes everything crashes ,but they are tons of workaround .
All the best,
Olivier
Golf (is never off-topic) Last week I went to the local golf superstore to buy some cheap accessories and I ended up buying a new Taylormade MX tour preferred iron set with 3/4" extra length which according to the seller is better for me because I'm a tall guy. $20 purchase turned out to be $1400...:D  SONAR stability: I have still only good experiences to share. Only once there was a crash but it happened because Kontakt player crashed. I don't know if it is possible to make SONAR bullet proof against plugin crashes but it would be a fantastic feature to add stability. Today's SONAR can handle incredibly large projects. Just now I'm mixing a very complex and long song which uses over 3 GB memory, has tons of synths and plugins, dozens of tempo and time signature changes and automation. Playback is smooth and program feels responsive all the time.  Memory usage  Synths  Tempo map Currently my only real issue with SONAR is in loop playback because MIDI and audio tracks go out of sync quite often. It's not a biggie because sync is fixed by stopping and starting playback. Happy, happy, happy... :)
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 16:00:40
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John
slarocque
Just installed Sonar Platinum (Hopkinton update) two weeks ago. Works very good for the most part, but whenever I'm editing in the Piano Roll view, it randomly freezes and stops responding (the usual faded gray screen). If I wait for Sonar to respond, the display eventually comes back ok but one click and it freezes again. No choice but to close the program. This started happening on the very first project in which I'm using midi, and I only have AD2 open, no other VST plugins or effects. This happens only when editing in the Piano Roll and only glitch I have with Sonar.
Anyone else having these issues?
Sonar Platinum /Windows 10 Pro (x64) /Gigabyte H97-D3H-CF /Intel Core i7-4770 3.40GHz /16 Gb RAM /Scarlett 2i4 2.5.1 Drivers
I would start a new thread. Its considered hijacking to post unrelated posts in a thread.
Sorry, with respect, this would seem to be the very place to talk about the stability / instability of the current release. What about the above post is hijacking? It seems very much on topic to me. I too have had some stability problems with the release -- my first release, since upgrading from X3, of Platinum , which I'm finding disappointingly crashy. Do the forum rules require this to be a good-news-only thread? I'm not being hostile or sarcastic -- I genuinely would like to know how frank discussions are allowed to be here, so that I don't fall afoul of the rules. Frank, on-topic discussion (so long as it's respectful) is what makes forums really useful.
Well it seems easy to see. This thread is about how great Sonar is not what a poster has as an issue. Further by asking for input about that issue it will be not about how stable Sonar is but how to fix an issue. That is changing the topic. There is nothing wrong in having "frank" discussions, it just needs to respect the OP. Also one would think to get help on an issue it should not be buried in a thread that has nothing to do with that issue. What if it turns out there is a bug causing this issue? Should the whole thread be moved to the problem report forum? Please, just start another thread.
post edited by John - 2015/09/15 16:12:37
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 16:01:08
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 18:25:09
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☄ Helpfulby John 2015/09/15 18:43:43
Well today I had to fix my washing machine. If anybody is interested this is a nice video: In all seriousness though, if you have a specific issue, best start a specific new thread, it can get really confusing otherwise. Later I will talk about how to repair TV's,
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/09/15 18:36:27
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 18:44:29
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Ok, so... users sharing their views about Hopkinton stability in a thread about Hopkinton stability is off-topic, but golf and washing machines are ok... I see the logic now. How silly of me.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 18:49:48
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Never try to apply logic to an area where it is not applicable.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 18:50:31
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lingyai - Don't sweat it. There is no wizard behind the curtain ... Hopkinton is the absolute best Cake version I've ever used. Period. The tool is definitely NOT the problem these days! 
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 18:51:29
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lingyai
Ok, so... users sharing their views about Hopkinton stability in a thread about Hopkinton stability is off-topic, but golf and washing machines are ok... I see the logic now. How silly of me.
Yup, it's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 18:56:33
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lingyai
Ok, so... users sharing their views about Hopkinton stability in a thread about Hopkinton stability is off-topic, but golf and washing machines are ok... I see the logic now. How silly of me.
Please don't make this anything more then it is. You can say my system is not stable all you want in your own thread but that is not what this thread is about. If you do have a problem and you want it fixed start a new thread about it. The OP was not asking for a debate.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 19:06:01
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lingyai - Don't sweat it. There is no wizard behind the curtain ...
Hopkinton is the absolute best Cake version I've ever used. Period.
Well, what drew me to this thread is that many folks say that, and I'm glad for them (said without sarcasm), but in my few hours of using it it has crashed on me around 10 times, on a project file which X3e had handled with no crashes over around 20 hours of work. So I do sweat it, or at least wonder what's going on, with my W7 Pro 64 bit, i7 2.8 ghz CPU, 16 GB RAM PC with a Focusrite Saffire 6 USB interface which has always been solid, Windows fully updated and all other drivers current, on a project which is all audio, a few gain automation envelopes, the same FX running as in X3e (except for the ProChannel EQ I'm using for the first time in Hopkinton) and relatively light (max CPU load around 20%). All I've done in Hopkinton is to continue comping work started in X3e. But I digress, as I now realise it is effectively OT to contradict the OP. I'll contact CW support and stay mum.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 19:12:49
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John
lingyai
Ok, so... users sharing their views about Hopkinton stability in a thread about Hopkinton stability is off-topic, but golf and washing machines are ok... I see the logic now. How silly of me.
Please don't make this anything more then it is. You can say my system is not stable all you want in your own thread but that is not what this thread is about. If you do have a problem and you want it fixed start a new thread about it. The OP was not asking for a debate.
I am not debating anyone, I do not dispute that the OP finds Hopkinton to be stable. I and others are sharing our own take on the same subject, it's what forums are for. I think you are being a bit heavy handed John. Yes you have Moderator Power but remember that just because one has a hammer doesn't mean everything should start to look like a nail.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 19:15:44
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☄ Helpfulby John 2015/09/15 20:04:32
Well Lingyai you are digressing quite wildly on this one and done a proper thread hijack. If you are not careful I might just start giving you my TV repair tips. In all seriousness please start a new thread and let's see if we can help (genuine offer, no sarcasm intended here).
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
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☄ Helpfulby John 2015/09/15 20:04:24
Lingyai - I really hate to agree with DA (  ), but you would get more help by starting a new thread and stating some specifics about the problems you're having. Lotsa' helpful people here that want to help as many as possible enjoy the same great experiences. It's not just about etiquette or formality. By starting a separate thread you will have more people notice your problems and try to help. The golf and washing machine posts are for comedic relief. Nobody is taking them seriously. OTOH, people are taking your instability problem VERY seriously and are trying to get you the best help.
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Re: SONAR Platinum Hopkinton stability - superb
2015/09/15 21:48:10
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Well Lingyai you are digressing quite wildly on this one and done a proper thread hijack. If you are not careful I might just start giving you my TV repair tips. In all seriousness please start a new thread and let's see if we can help (genuine offer, no sarcasm intended here).
Well Doktor, if I am hijacking by discussing whether the discussion is appropriate here or not, then you are quite the co-hijacker as you've been matching me post for post. I guess it's because I disagree with you that you find my "hijacking" inappropriate, whereas yours is just fine, you being right and all. The main difference between us is that while I've consistently talked about the stability of this release, you talk about washing machines. Yes, I get that you are trying to parody me, but parody involves a modicum of resemblance to what you are parodying. If you indeed think Hopkinton instability is as out of place in a thread about Hopkinton stability as washing machines, I won't even begin the futile task of trying to persuade you otherwise, as we're just ... real different. Later.
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