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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/07 21:18:31
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You've got a great opening riff and gruve and a fine song overall. I would consider maybe a B-3 instead of the synth pad. To my ears you have a Stones vibe happening with the guitar and the synth seems to take me out of that place. much enjoyed!
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/08 11:09:14
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ohgrant Really cool tune. Mix sounds great on cans, have to agree a tad more energy to the snare would benefit. Maybe a touch of transient designer love in the drum buss. Great tone and style on guitar. Great sounding vox
Many thanks for listening and critiquing, ohgrant. I've never used a transient designer, is the transient shaper plug-in what you're talking about? Gonna have to read up on that.
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/08 11:14:43
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gruverider You've got a great opening riff and gruve and a fine song overall. I would consider maybe a B-3 instead of the synth pad. To my ears you have a Stones vibe happening with the guitar and the synth seems to take me out of that place. much enjoyed!
Thanks for the listen and the comment, gruverider, I would never have thought of a stones sound, but I can kinda hear what you're talking about now that you mention it. I'll give the B-3 a try and see what it does, thanks!
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/08 11:16:37
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Starise I would be proud of this accomplishment kevinwal...really well put together and played. I love those vocals and that guitar sits in there sounding perfectly suited for where it is . NICE!!
Thanks for the kind words, I really appreciate you taking the time to listen and to give your feedback!
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ohgrant
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/08 16:50:29
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kevinwal
ohgrant Really cool tune. Mix sounds great on cans, have to agree a tad more energy to the snare would benefit. Maybe a touch of transient designer love in the drum buss. Great tone and style on guitar. Great sounding vox
Many thanks for listening and critiquing, ohgrant. I've never used a transient designer, is the transient shaper plug-in what you're talking about? Gonna have to read up on that.
Yea Kev, that's what I mean. That's assuming you are working with a stereo mix in the channel, if you have control over individual kit pieces, raising the snare volume a tad might just do the trick. Just a hobbyist learning myself so to be taken with a grain of salt. A nice sounding kit that just needs a little more snare energy. If you've never tried a transient tool, you should. It can increase or soften the transients. Mix is really cool otherwise IMO, I've only listened with headphones a few times. A really great headphone mix.
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/08 19:38:13
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ohgrant Really cool tune. Mix sounds great on cans, have to agree a tad more energy to the snare would benefit. Maybe a touch of transient designer love in the drum buss. Great tone and style on guitar. Great sounding vox
Many thanks for listening and critiquing, ohgrant. I've never used a transient designer, is the transient shaper plug-in what you're talking about? Gonna have to read up on that.
Yea Kev, that's what I mean. That's assuming you are working with a stereo mix in the channel, if you have control over individual kit pieces, raising the snare volume a tad might just do the trick. Just a hobbyist learning myself so to be taken with a grain of salt. A nice sounding kit that just needs a little more snare energy. If you've never tried a transient tool, you should. It can increase or soften the transients. Mix is really cool otherwise IMO, I've only listened with headphones a few times. A really great headphone mix.
Thanks, I mix on headphones so yeah, it's optimized for that, lol. The family would really shoot me in the back if I mixed through monitors. I do check the mix on the monitors when I think I've got it right. I'm a hobbyist too and in my experience (since Sonar 7, really) recording and getting the mix right is harder than learning to play bass or guitar ever was, lol. I'll monkey around with the transient shaper, but I do have control over the volume and eq of individual kit pieces so I'll try all of the above when I get home.
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ohgrant
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/08 20:37:40
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Sonar 7 was my first full fledged DAW too. I did spend a few years mixing mud with Guitar Tracks 2.0 clutching on to my soundblaster gaming card before the good folks here got me on track. Still lots of derailments and much to learn myself.
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Walt Collins
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/09 07:57:51
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Great laid back groove, cool songwriting. My nits: - maybe give the kick some more bottom end
- snare is a bit flabby, not enough punch
- I could probably do with a little less verb on the vox
Really excellent production overall. I count this as one of the better ones on this board. :)
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/09 10:33:59
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Walt Collins Great laid back groove, cool songwriting. My nits:
- maybe give the kick some more bottom end
- snare is a bit flabby, not enough punch
- I could probably do with a little less verb on the vox
Really excellent production overall. I count this as one of the better ones on this board. :)
Thanks for the good advice and the kind words, Walt, I appreciate you giving the tune a listen. When you suggest lest verb on the vox, are you referring to the lead vocal in the verse or in the chorus, or both? They are treated a bit differently. Thanks again!
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/09 11:42:03
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I'm listening on terrible little work computer speakers, so I'll withhold judgment on the mix (although, it sounds pretty dang good anyway!) and give it a proper listen at home this weekend. But, the singing and songwriting are both stellar - very catchy song that is well performed. You should definitely be proud of this one!
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Walt Collins
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/09 12:01:28
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I was referring to the lead vocal. The reverb seems to have a long tail that sounds a little out of place to me.
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/09 12:37:06
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cryophonik I'm listening on terrible little work computer speakers, so I'll withhold judgment on the mix (although, it sounds pretty dang good anyway!) and give it a proper listen at home this weekend. But, the singing and songwriting are both stellar - very catchy song that is well performed. You should definitely be proud of this one!
Thanks for giving it a listen, I appreciate your taking the time to give your thoughts! I know what you mean about the speakers, my wife and I are on vacation and I've got a crappy little laptop and there's all these great tunes in this forum to give a listen to. I have a list of tunes to listen to when I get home.
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/09 12:38:46
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Walt Collins I was referring to the lead vocal. The reverb seems to have a long tail that sounds a little out of place to me.
Thanks, Walt, I'll check that out when I get home. Getting reverb right is almost impossible when you mix with headphones. :)
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/12 02:46:08
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I've taken in all the commentary and have produced a new mix. Interestingly, to my ears it doesn't really sound better, just a bit different. I'd be interested in hearing some comments on this. I've also noticed quite a bit of difference between the wav, the mp3 and the tune after soundcloud is done hammering away at it. I've also updated my original post to reflect this updated version. Anyway, here are the changes I incorporated: 1. Adjusted the mic'ing of the snare (I'm using Addictive Drums 2) to more heavily favor the top over the bottom mic. I've also goosed the snare volume a tad, along with the kick. 2. I've modified the bass to increase the high pass filter starting frequency to 60hz and increased the slope some. I've also added some upper mids to capture a bit more of my p-bass's character. I think I could do more here but I'll stop where I'm at. 3. I've reduced the reverb on the vocal tracks quite a bit. 4. I've reduced the volume of the synth to allow it to fill out things without getting to onerous. 5. I've adjusted the overall eq of the track to add a bit more top end. Since I don't have very good high frequency hearing it's tough for me to judge whether or not I've gone too far here so comment is very welcome. The new version can be found here: https://soundcloud.com/kevin-ibsen/shot-in-the-back-v2Thanks!
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Bob Oister
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/16 23:30:48
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Hey, Kevin, I think your latest post about the new mix has a broken link, I'm getting a "Soundcloud can't find the page" error, so I listened to the version from the link in the first post in this thread, not sure if it's the old mix or the new mix. But either way, I love it! This song is spectacular! Excellent songwriting and arrangement, dynamite vocals and harmonies, and fantastic instrumental performances! I really love that gritty guitar tone and the tasty solo work, and the piano and keys are like icing on a tasty cake. I absolutely love the style and groove on this, it sort of reminds me of a really cool modern fusion of The Rolling Stones "Goats Head Soup" era and Atlanta Rhythm Section's best stuff, which I always liked immensely. Excellent work, Kevin, fantastic stuff! Bob
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/17 00:23:12
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Wow, thanks, Bob, that's high praise indeed coming from you! I love ARS too, best band I ever heard live. I appreciate you giving a listen, and I'll see about that link.
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/17 00:32:54
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I've fixed it, sorry about that!
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/17 04:56:05
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Stylish lead...Good lyrical story line...Nice song. Cheers, Kane
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ohgrant
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/17 10:15:17
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There ya go, a gorgeous snare now. Vocals seem up front, mix sounds golden to me now.
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/17 10:57:48
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ohgrant There ya go, a gorgeous snare now. Vocals seem up front, mix sounds golden to me now.
I get what you mean now with the snare, it does add a heck of a lot. Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it!
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bapu
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/17 12:14:49
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Kevin, Sounds real good to my ears. No crits hear (sea watt eye deed dare?).
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/17 18:20:44
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Thanks for listening, bapu. I'd laugh but I think that would only encourage you.
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Bob Oister
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/17 19:54:01
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There you go, Kevin! Mix #2 just added a nice layer of polish on what was already a fantastic production! I woke up today with the chorus hook of this in my head from listening last night. To me, that's a really good sign! I'm on my third listen to the new mix, and it's amazing what a few tiny changes here and there can do to a mix, and on my stuff, I always find that the participation and great input from the members of this forum is always indispensable for anyone who utilizes it and gives it a try. By the way, I was always a fan of ARS, too, and in my cover band back in college we did "So Into You", "Neon Nites" and "Imaginary Lover". Their mid to late 70's albums were all excellent. Sounds dynamite, buddy, really excellent work! Bob
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/18 10:42:04
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I think this sounds great now, I listen some of the old version and then the new one. The mix is really fitting together great! Btw your voice reminds me of Peter Gabriel. +++
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/18 14:32:36
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Bob Oister There you go, Kevin! Mix #2 just added a nice layer of polish on what was already a fantastic production! I woke up today with the chorus hook of this in my head from listening last night. To me, that's a really good sign! That's funny, that's how the hook came to me. Woke up and there it was. Bob Oister I'm on my third listen to the new mix, and it's amazing what a few tiny changes here and there can do to a mix, and on my stuff, I always find that the participation and great input from the members of this forum is always indispensable for anyone who utilizes it and gives it a try. I'm indebted to everyone here for their contribution to my struggles with making a decent sound. I spend so much time alone between practicing, recording and mixing and it's really great to have other folks with the same passion join me even if only for a moment. You guys have helped me get better, both by example through your own music and by your direct input. I'm very grateful. Bob Oister By the way, I was always a fan of ARS, too, and in my cover band back in college we did "So Into You", "Neon Nites" and "Imaginary Lover". Their mid to late 70's albums were all excellent. Sounds dynamite, buddy, really excellent work! Bob
Thanks very much, Bob! Kevin
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kevinwal
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Re: Shot in the Back - Rock - Critique welcome!
2015/10/18 14:33:31
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Leizer I think this sounds great now, I listen some of the old version and then the new one. The mix is really fitting together great! Btw your voice reminds me of Peter Gabriel. +++
Thanks for listening, Leizer, I appreciate you taking the time to do it. Peter Gabriel? I'll take that.
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