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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 18:41:42 (permalink)
beeps, no just this one.  years ago I had a different one, "guglielmo", or something like that.   As computers die I do lose track of my various avatars.
 
 
 
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 19:04:20 (permalink)
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John, having sonar on three computers would seem to identify you as a Cakewalk employee, right?  In which case, it would be the moral thing to not post as you do..


I take it you are joking. I am and have always been a member of this forum. I am not an employee. BTW I only have the one ID on this forum.
 
 

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 20:59:15 (permalink)
John
I have Sonar on three computers. My desktop which is very complex, a tablet and a laptop. Sonar Platinum runs on all three quite well.   


Hmm 3PC's = two licenses (one license = 2 PC's, can't use them at the same time). You bought it twice?
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/10/31 21:13:42

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/01 06:23:28 (permalink)
Right, I liked it so much I bought it twice!
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/01 06:55:35 (permalink)
Lordy...

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/01 08:59:17 (permalink)
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hmmmmm......Mine hangs daily, or more frequently. Probably is my piano playing that does it...


did you try lowering the talent threshold in the crash options ? ;-)

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/01 14:30:34 (permalink)
williamcopper
 
Yes whatever, but the new avatar "soundwise" sounds a whole lot like "John" aka "I love sonar" aka "it's all good"



I don't know what my posts sound like to you, but yours surely don't sound very friendly. Had I been working for the Cakewalk, I would take pride in it and definitely would not disguise it, but I do not possess skills that might be useful for the software development. Besides that, what is the reason to promote Sonar among registered users? I can't see any. Can you?
Please, William, keep it on topic and do not make it personal.
 
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/01 15:54:01 (permalink)
Another happy Sonar (Platinum) user here - 
I have MUCH to learn about its true capabilities, but so far, so good!
It's come a LONG way since I first installed from floppy disks back in the early '90s! 
 
I previously had audio interface issues with Sonar, but turns out it was a timing conflict between SPDIF and ADAT connections I was using - hardware problems, not Sonar.
The other consistent problem(s) I had were centered around my Novation Impulse 49 keyboard ~
once I dumped Automap and switched to Azlo's plugin, everything has been working great!
 
And no, I don't work for Cakewalk, even though I have been a follower and customer on and off (a reflection of my sporadic involvement in music, NOT because I left Cakewalk for another product) for many years. Although, I imagine working there could be quite fun - can you imagine learning how to really use the software from the Bakers themselves?!!  
 
Wonder if they're hiring old interns? 
post edited by rivers88 - 2015/11/01 16:06:20
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/01 17:58:38 (permalink)
I'm getting random auto-save crashes. Now extremely paranoid and have to manually save often because an auto-save crash means that the auto-save file gets corrupted.
 
I've put a feature request on the new feature forum for Sonar to have an auto-save folder (next to the per project audio folder) that is always saving a new file version as opposed to saving over the previous auto-save. This would at least allow all work up to the auto-save crash to be salvaged. Not too much interest there though... :-(
 
Big projects take FOREVER to load, which is pretty frustrating. Seeing regular crashes on opening sessions, closing sessions, closing the program and less frequently freezing tracks and using region FX. Other various (but potential other manufacturer's errors) are UAD cards not always unloading all FX after closing sessions (not a problem before JP or in X2) and SP occasionally can't play through my RME MADI FX AES output (this is also new with JP and not something I've ever seen with X2). Not the end of the world (often just restart program or with the latter issues, restarting the computer)... but pretty embracing when clients visit.
 
Also seeing quite a few take lane/comping errors and issues. I'm compiling a long list to send to Cakewalk in the next week or so. Pretty unhappy about these as it has made comping a nightmare at times. I've been persistently finding workarounds for all of these issues though and slowly gaining speed again.
 
Tried the usual fixes besides a complete reinstall. So busy working that it has been hard to fit it in, but the wasted time using SP makes me wish I had never made the move from X2. Now locked in using the Region FX for my current project.
 
I have a really nice computer (ADK built Hex-Extreme - Win 7 64bit) and will say that Platinum isn't as stable as X2 or Pro Tools 11 over here. Crashes are a daily and most often hourly occurrence on SP and a weekly experience on X2 or Pro Tools.
 
Glad it's working out for so many people though. Hopeful for continued solid support and features from the guys at Cakewalk and confident they can slowly work through the bugs. It must be extremely difficult sorting through and troubleshooting all of the possible setups! Cakewalk user since midi only 3.0 from the twelve tone days.
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/13 04:00:10 (permalink)
In my experience so far. Platinum is less stable than previous versions (I go right back before Pro AUdio was released)
I have had crashes. SOnar saving the project every few seconds - makes it awful hard to edit something. (yes I have checked the configuration) Also, more dropouts, it seems to be putting most of the load on one core.
I am not at all happy with what seems to me to suggest inadequate testing.
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/13 07:06:37 (permalink)
The load on one core is a known bug. Agree JP not stable... Go to ipswitch update 1 or Gloucester.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/13 07:17:53

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/13 08:30:55 (permalink)
Disagree.
 
JP has been totally stable on all 3 of my systems (yes, three!)
DAW, Desktop & Laptop
 
I forget what a crash looks like.

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/13 08:36:09 (permalink)
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Disagree.
 
JP has been totally stable on all 3 of my systems (yes, three!)
DAW, Desktop & Laptop
 
I forget what a crash looks like.


Well there are a number of reproducible JP issues confirmed by the bakers in these very forums so it's not really an opinion thing any more, glad your workflow clearly bypasses these issues.

We will just wait and hope to see what this months release brings I guess..

Ta.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/13 08:48:45

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/13 15:04:03 (permalink)
AFAIK, software stability depends greatly on user's hardware configuration. There also might be some conflicts with with software from different vendors. The best way to sort out what's causing stability issue is to keep a partition on a hard drive to be able to do a fresh install of OS and software that crashes, e.g. just Windows and Sonar. If you still have crashes, then the problem is hardware related. If that works stable then you'll need to sort out software that causes crashes.
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/13 15:57:25 (permalink)
williamcopper
Yes whatever, but the new avatar "soundwise" sounds a whole lot like "John" aka "I love sonar" aka "it's all good".
 
(edit): william (I am a real human being) copper.
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John, having sonar on three computers would seem to identify you as a Cakewalk employee, right?  In which case, it would be the moral thing to not post as you do..


I can confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am the first and only Cakewalk employee participating in this conversation up to this point.
post edited by Joey Adams [Cakewalk] - 2015/11/13 16:08:41
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/14 07:58:59 (permalink)
williamcopper
John, having sonar on three computers would seem to identify you as a Cakewalk employee, right?  In which case, it would be the moral thing to not post as you do..

 
Joey Adams [Cakewalk]
I can confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am the first and only Cakewalk employee participating in this conversation up to this point.



Do you also have three laptops with Sonar on?
Because apparently if you do, you are not allowed to post ..... 
 
Also opinions are not allowed!!! 
 
I recommend WilliamCooper immediately gets promoted to forum host anyway, he seems qualified enough to boss people around...
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/14 08:13:19

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/14 09:41:37 (permalink)
I have Sonar on three laptops and wish I worked for Cakewalk!
 
Williamcooper - have a good long look at Joeys Avatar and you might just pick up a subtle clue that will in future alert you when someone from Cakewalk comments. This newfound knowledge will save you from needlessly insulting  people who spend a lot of time helping us out - you know - out of the goodness of their heart. 
 
Given the large number of copies of Sonar that are out there, the problems discussed on this forum are hardly a significant enough sample size to declare it unstable. If you believe it is, here's why:
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic
 
Happy to help.
 
PS. No way does that Joey bloke work for Cakewalk:)
 
 
 
 

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/14 11:31:36 (permalink)
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I wish to admit that I am an employee of the NSA, Steinberg, Avid, and Magix.  Anyone who has been fooled by my posts,  well, sorry, rest in peace.



I knew it all along, the clues have always been there for anyone to see:
 
  • "Copper" starts with a "C," "Cubase" starts with a "C."
  • "Copper" has two syllables, "Cubase" has two syllables.
  • "Steinberg" means "rock mountain." And where do you mine "copper"? You extract it from rocky mountains!
  • "William" is a popular German name in its German form "Wilhelm," and Steinberg started in Germany.
  • Most tellingly, the Wikipedia entry for "Kaiser Wilhelm," who was the last German emperor, states: "Bombastic and impetuous, he sometimes made tactless pronouncements on sensitive topics without consulting his ministers."
 
Coincidence? You decide! 
 

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/14 14:08:36 (permalink)
I think you all have too much time on your hands. 

Regards, John 
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/14 14:36:28 (permalink)
I am in the happy camper crowd here, and sympathize with those who have issues. But I do not embrace the less courteous people that always lays the "burden" of their problems onto people that is willing to help them. I am quite new to this forum, but have seen enough to choose whom I will lend my hand to, and where to just pass by without even thinking about their problems. I salute all the helpful people here, and hope they will be here for all the people that really needs it.
All the best.
 

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/14 14:58:35 (permalink)
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I salute all the helpful people here...



Then don't forget to salute yourself, you contribute a lot to this forum and it's appreciated.

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/15 05:00:34 (permalink)
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I salute all the helpful people here...



Then don't forget to salute yourself, you contribute a lot to this forum and it's appreciated.


I thank you a lot for that comment, Craig! It actually warms my heart I feel like a newbie here, but try to help where I can.
All the best.

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/15 12:20:13 (permalink)
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I feel like a newbie here...



We're ALL newbies here, it's just that some have more experience than others 
 
Anyone who thinks they've mastered recording is misguided - there's always more to learn. I have the privilege of hanging out with some very high-level recording engineers and musicians, and they often mention some tip of mine they've read and found useful. And then more often than not, they'll tell me about some variation on it they came up with on it I never would have considered, or some cool tip of their own. I think maybe one reason why they are high-level recording engineers and musicians is because they realize how much they don't know, so they're always looking to improve.
 
Despite working with SONAR constantly since its inception, I continue to learn all kinds of useful tips from these forums, and they come from all levels of users.

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/17 08:35:08 (permalink)
Just had another session of instability last night.
A project I've been working on for a few weeks in Plat-JP, froze during export (wav) three times. No rhyme or reason.
Exported fine once, tweaked a little EQ, the next export froze. Had to terminate Sonar in taskmgr. Opened project, export worked this time. Tried to export to a different format (mp3), froze again. Terminated Sonar, restarted, exported mp3 fine. Worked a bit more, one more freeze on export. This time I restarted Sonar, exported both wav and mp3 with "Audible Bounce" on without freezing.
No error msg, no warning, nothing to troubleshoot. Don't know where to look.
Opened up X3, worked on another project without issues. Exported several times in X3, no freezes.
Something is amiss, but I have no idea where to start.
 

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/17 08:47:24 (permalink)
jatoth have no idea where to start.


you can look in the windows event viewer, if sonar hasn't "grabbed" the error itself there might be something there
 
maybe there's room for a feature request, to enable some kind of "debug logging" for these kinds of issues? (where sonar doesn't realise its crashing)
 
good luck!

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/17 10:00:51 (permalink)
I may have a hint for the bakers.
I did do something last night that I almost NEVER have done before.
Project is nine audio tracks, only a few plugs I use often.
I had one instance of FabFilter MB loaded. I set "Linear Phase" on, "Oversampling" on, and "Look Ahead" on.
I was exporting to see if I could tell a difference with these settings.
Could it be with one of these options?
However nothing was changed between the freezes and successful exports.

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/17 10:06:43 (permalink)
If the FabFilter is already oversampling internally, which is likely, could upsampling in SONAR be the culprit by pushing the sampling rate into an unacceptable range?

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/11/17 10:20:27 (permalink)
Thanks Craig,
That sounds reasonable. I will play with it tonight. But, not being immediately reproducible, I may just bang my head against a wall for a while instead. 
As I said, I don't think I ever used "Oversampling" before, that may be the culprit.

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